Best Pontiac Powered Stockers

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by oldskool

Thanks for that info !

I'm not building a Stocker. There is only bracket racing in my area. I have a bracket car I'm workin on.

I suppose the only way to experiment, might be to build an engine that used the same shortblock & heads, for both the 2 & 4-barrel versions, if such an engine exists

Nobody ever said that you couldn't bracket race a Stocker!
Build a "Stocker type" motor, put it in your bracket car and experiment to your heart's content.

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Nobody ever said that you couldn't bracket race a Stocker!
Build a "Stocker type" motor, put it in your bracket car and experiment to your heart's content.

Yeah, that's a great idea.

I could at least get a ball park figure of how much a 2-barrel would slow the car down, vs the Q-jet.

I had a '71 2-barrel 455, out of a wagon. But I sold it. I've got a friend with a shop & yard full of Pontiacs, I'll see if he has any 2-barrels that look rebuildable.

[oldskool]

Found a little more info.

Lloyd Cox won the S/SA class at Indy, in '61. I assume it was the same car that his wife Carol drove the next year, to S/SA wins at Pomona & Indy.

In '62, Lloyd won SS/SA at the Winter Nats. Hayden Proffitt also won the SS/S class, as well as the already mentioned A/FX class. And Jess Tyree won the S/S class. Don Bennett won A/SA.

I'll remind ya'll once again, at that time, all these classes were considered "Top Stock", NOT Super Stock.

At Indy, Dick Jesse was RU to Lloyd Cox, in A/FX. In S/S, Arlen Vanke won & Bob Harrop was RU. Ralph Hardt won A/SA.

At the '63 Winter Nats, Bill Shrewsberry won A/FX. Think I posted a pic but didn't know the name. Lloyd Cox won B/SA, which I assume was in the Junior Stock class.

At Indy, Jim Wangers won B/FX, in a Royal Pontiac Swiss cheese Cat. Bill Abraham won A/SA. All these cars had either 389 or 421 Pontiac power.

'63 was the year Mopar jumped into drag racing big time. And many of the Pontiacs were not allowed to run in some of the lower classes, because not enuff of the SD cars had been sold. So, Mopar began to dominate many classes. Most all here are very familiar with the 413's, & the 426 Wedge & Hemi cars. In my humble & biased opinion, some of those Mopars were some of the ugliest quick cars ever on a drag strip. But, to Mopar fans, I'm sure they did & still do look good.

In '64, Don Gay won A/S at the Winters & at Indy. Mopars & 427 Fords won everything else, above A/S. Don't know about the lower classes in Junior Stock. Haven't found a source for that info yet.

[oldskool]

And here's a little more. These are the class winners at the '71 Indy race.

The guy posting said he had to guess at some of the cars. Anyhow, it shows that Truman Fields won D/S, in his '68 Bird, & Arnie Toftland
won I/SA in a '71 Lemans.

NHRA Junior Stock

In '65, Leroy Stutzman picked right where Don Gay had left off in '64, winning the A/S class.

NHRA Junior Stock

[oldskool]

Just ran across this. Can't verify.

The caption under the pic says that Mary Ann Foss was the 1st female to hold a nat record. It was for top speed. D/SA is on her '58 Pontiac, in the pic. Also painted on her car is that she was a class winner at the 1964 Indy race.

[oldskool]

Here are the NHRA Stock records, as of April '65.

Several Pontiacs on the list. Jess Tyree held the A/S record. Ronnie Broadhead held the the C/S record, in a 389 Cat. Pontiacs also picked up the D/SA & E/SA records.

NHRA Junior Stock

[oldskool]

The car in the 1st 2 pics was driven by Ronnie Broadhead. He was Stock Champ, broke the record 3 times, & won class at Indy, all in the same year.

Some of the other cars were record holders & class winners.

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by oldskool

And here's a little more. These are the class winners at the '71 Indy race.

The guy posting said he had to guess at some of the cars. Anyhow, it shows that Truman Fields won D/S, in his '68 Bird, & Arnie Toftland
won I/SA in a '71 Lemans.

NHRA Junior Stock

In '65, Leroy Stutzman picked right where Don Gay had left off in '64, winning the A/S class.

NHRA Junior Stock

Would any of you Pontiac gentlemen have a pic of Leroy Stutzmans 63 Pontiac, named ‘Mr Pontiac’ ?

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by oldskool

And here's a little more. These are the class winners at the '71 Indy race.

The guy posting said he had to guess at some of the cars. Anyhow, it shows that Truman Fields won D/S, in his '68 Bird, & Arnie Toftland
won I/SA in a '71 Lemans.

NHRA Junior Stock

In '65, Leroy Stutzman picked right where Don Gay had left off in '64, winning the A/S class.

NHRA Junior Stock

I'm revisiting my Pontiac NHRA Factoring.
Making a chart of the 400cid and 455cid factoring (mostly 400cid)

re Arnie Toftland:
Do you know for sure it was a 71 LeMans?
I can get 2 cars to fit that I/SA=11.00 class:
71 LeMans hardtop 455/325 auto only (non-ram-air?)
3575/325=11.00
71 GTO convertible 455/335HO ram air
3717/335=11.10

It looks like Wheeler was the runner-up in I/SA=11.00 at 71 Indy, here's a picture, looks like a ram air convertible ie GTO:
https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=429361


But, are you sure which combo Arnie Toftland ran?

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe

I'm revisiting my Pontiac NHRA Factoring.
Making a chart of the 400cid and 455cid factoring (mostly 400cid)

re Arnie Toftland:
Do you know for sure it was a 71 LeMans?
I can get 2 cars to fit that I/SA=11.00 class:
71 LeMans hardtop 455/325 auto only (non-ram-air?)
3575/325=11.00
71 GTO convertible 455/335HO ram air
3717/335=11.10

It looks like Wheeler was the runner-up in I/SA=11.00 at 71 Indy, here's a picture, looks like a ram air convertible ie GTO:
https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=429361


But, are you sure which combo Arnie Toftland ran?

I don't have a clue. Lots of '71 racers used a 455HO T-37. Rock Running ran the 1st one I was aware of. Don Turk has it now. Scott Underhill held the E/SA nat record with his, a few years back.

The car in that pic is not a Pontiac. Looks like maybe an Olds. I suppose it could be a Buick. I'm not that familiar with either.

Just Googled it. A '71 Cutlass Supreme SX has the long scoops.

https://www.google.com/search?q=1971...X_enUS964US964

442 also has the long scoops, but looks to have deeply recessed grills.

https://www.google.com/search?q=1971...4n6noa2rjaNk1M