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[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by oldskool

And here's a little more. These are the class winners at the '71 Indy race.

The guy posting said he had to guess at some of the cars. Anyhow, it shows that Truman Fields won D/S, in his '68 Bird, & Arnie Toftland
won I/SA in a '71 Lemans.

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In '65, Leroy Stutzman picked right where Don Gay had left off in '64, winning the A/S class.

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I'm revisiting my Pontiac NHRA Factoring.
Making a chart of the 400cid and 455cid factoring (mostly 400cid)

re Arnie Toftland:
Do you know for sure it was a 71 LeMans?
I can get 2 cars to fit that I/SA=11.00 class:
71 LeMans hardtop 455/325 auto only (non-ram-air?)
3575/325=11.00
71 GTO convertible 455/335HO ram air
3717/335=11.10

It looks like Wheeler was the runner-up in I/SA=11.00 at 71 Indy, here's a picture, looks like a ram air convertible ie GTO:
https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=429361


But, are you sure which combo Arnie Toftland ran?

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe

I'm revisiting my Pontiac NHRA Factoring.
Making a chart of the 400cid and 455cid factoring (mostly 400cid)

re Arnie Toftland:
Do you know for sure it was a 71 LeMans?
I can get 2 cars to fit that I/SA=11.00 class:
71 LeMans hardtop 455/325 auto only (non-ram-air?)
3575/325=11.00
71 GTO convertible 455/335HO ram air
3717/335=11.10

It looks like Wheeler was the runner-up in I/SA=11.00 at 71 Indy, here's a picture, looks like a ram air convertible ie GTO:
https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=429361


But, are you sure which combo Arnie Toftland ran?

I don't have a clue. Lots of '71 racers used a 455HO T-37. Rock Running ran the 1st one I was aware of. Don Turk has it now. Scott Underhill held the E/SA nat record with his, a few years back.

The car in that pic is not a Pontiac. Looks like maybe an Olds. I suppose it could be a Buick. I'm not that familiar with either.

Just Googled it. A '71 Cutlass Supreme SX has the long scoops.

https://www.google.com/search?q=1971...X_enUS964US964

442 also has the long scoops, but looks to have deeply recessed grills.

https://www.google.com/search?q=1971...4n6noa2rjaNk1M

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by oldskool

I don't have a clue. Lots of '71 racers used a 455HO T-37. Rock Running ran the 1st one I was aware of. Don Turk has it now. Scott Underhill held the E/SA nat record with his, a few years back.

The car in that pic is not a Pontiac. Looks like maybe an Olds. I suppose it could be a Buick. I'm not that familiar with either.

Just Googled it. A '71 Cutlass Supreme SX has the long scoops.

https://www.google.com/search?q=1971...X_enUS964US964

442 also has the long scoops, but looks to have deeply recessed grills.

https://www.google.com/search?q=1971...4n6noa2rjaNk1M

Thanks I dont know where I got Pontiac for the Wheeler car.
I thought that picture was a funny looking GTO.

The 1971 Indy narrative I have says I/SA=11.00
Toftland Pontiac win
Wheeler Olds R/U
No car years given.

From the picture & other info it looks like Wheeler is a
71 Olds 442 Convert, 455/340hp, W-25 OAI hood.
3744/340=11.01

For the winning Toftland Pontiac:
71 LeMans hardtop 455/325hp 3575/325=11.00 perfect fit to class

But the 455ho is a stronger engine, more underrated.
But to fit, the car has to be a heavy GTO Convert:
71 GTO Convert 455/335HO 3737/335=11.10

Without a picture or other info I'll just leave both of these guesses in.

[oldskool]

Bruce Noland just ran a 10.591, with his '69 T/A, which is .809 under, & good enuff for #25 div 1 Q-1 list.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

Chad Smith was #14, on that list, @ .832 under. He was driving a '77 Bird, which I think we have established use to belong to Paul Dilcher.

[oldskool]

At the Midwest Nats, Julie Biermann ran an .872 under, 10.678, which was good enuff for the #26 position. Randi Lyn Shipp was #35.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

Julie's 10.678 is a pretty respectable number. Don't know what her best time is, running in D/SA. Nowadays, you never know when/if a car is running all-out, or sandbaggin to protect their combo, by preventing an NHRA hp factor increase. No good reason to make your combo less competitive, just to see your name higher up on a Q-list.

She went 10.554 @ Indy 2020.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2020#indextop

Don't know Randi Lyn's quickest time, in D/SA. But, she turned a 10.502, @ Indy 2019, which was 1.048 under. She's won at least 7 national events

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

They're 2 of the quickest D-port 1st gen Birds, ever. Mid 10's is quicker than similar Super Stockers ran back in the '70's.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by oldskool

At the Midwest Nats, Julie Biermann ran an .872 under, 10.678, which was good enuff for the #26 position. Randi Lyn Shipp was #35.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

Julie's 10.678 is a pretty respectable number. Don't know what her best time is, running in D/SA. Nowadays, you never know when/if a car is running all-out, or sandbaggin to protect their combo, by preventing an NHRA hp factor increase. No good reason to make your combo less competitive, just to see your name higher up on a Q-list.

She went 10.554 @ Indy 2020.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2020#indextop

Don't know Randi Lyn's quickest time, in D/SA. But, she turned a 10.502, @ Indy 2019, which was 1.048 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

They're 2 of the quickest D-port 1st gen Birds, ever. Mid 10's is quicker than similar Super Stockers ran back in the '70's.

I'm pretty sure you'll find that Tim /Julie's car is now a RA II

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

I'm pretty sure you'll find that Tim /Julie's car is now a RA II

OK. Thanks for the info. I have no way of knowing that, since weight can be added/removed to move up or down a class. With @ 333hp D-port engine, it's a natural D/SA.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...9&MAKE=Pontiac

@ only 340hp, the round port engine Bird is also a natural D/SA. IMO, the round port heads & higher lift cam will MORE than make up that 7hp difference. So, if a racer don't mind running the rare & valuable round port heads, that seems like the smart way to go.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...3&MAKE=Pontiac

I remember that Leo Glasbrenner use to run C/SA with his round port '68. At least I THOUGHT it was round port. But hey, I could be wrong about that, too. I don't have any inside sources to keep up with what every Pontiac racer is running. So, most of the time, it's just a guess, on my part.

Also remember that Randi Lyn sometimes runs C/SA with her '67, which MUST run D-port heads.

[oldskool]

"...But, are you sure which combo Arnie Toftland ran?.."

I think we covered this in another thread.

Arnie Toftland ran the "Viking" cars. One was a '70 GTO.

The other was apparently run as a '71 Bird, in H/SA. The pic I have of it & most every other '71 Bird Stocker I have a pic of, ran H/S or H/SA. BUT, as we've discovered, SOME years the class weight breaks were different, sometimes changing the class a car would run, from one season to the next. Also, it could have run a 400 engine, a D-port 455, or a 455HO round port engine. Therefore, it wouldn't surprise me a bit to find out this car also ran I/SA or G/SA, in certain years.

[oldskool]

Found a few pics in the last couple of days, which I don't think I've posted. Some are just different pics of cars I've mentioned earlier in the thread.

The 1st is another pic of the "Lil 2 Speed" '64 GTO.

Then there are a couple of '65's.

Pic 4 is one of the Royal '66 PR cars. I just posted it because I think it looks cool from the front.

#5 is a pic of the Nemesis '69 Judge I don't think I've posted.

#6 is a pic of the "Big Iron" '69 Judge, in the staging lanes.

#7 is the "Big Iron" '70 Judge, at the same track, plus another '70 Judge behind it.

#8 is a Grand Prix Stocker which I've never seen before.

#9 is another pic of the '60 "Big Iron", in the pits.