09 Challenger/Mustang engines

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Im gonna kill 2 posts with 1 stone...(ok post)

RJ and WJ....

Originally Posted by RJ

Are any of the traditional stocker engine guys building any of these engines in the new cars? - I see a lot of talk, info, and pictures about paint and roll cages, but not much motor stuff.

Lots of people working on them and several "Old" (2nd Gen guys making the leap for GT) because of favorable ratings etc.

Lots of work being done, lots being shared between certain people, lots being kept quiet by us same guys....

The Engine and EFI systems are where a couple of us who are familiar with the engines hope to shine....maybe we will maybe we wont, in bike(yes all those who dont care) an engine wasnt enough......but a great package never had a pig of a motor either.

I dont have much choice I dont know JACK about Auto trannys , or JACK about drag suspension.....yet....someday I hope to (suspension, forget the tranny Ive resigned myself I understand how it works, and could rebuild one, but not make a performer_so that the only area I do have experience in , are the new hemis.

Several of us are sharing info, dyno results etc across teams who arent in direct competition because of chosen venues divisional regional national etc, we know there will be some overlap and weve all agreed that well shake hands run the piss out of our cars and buy each other a beer afterward.

People who dont know about the engines are seeking the help of those that do.....in drag racing, they trust proven drag engine builders....that makes sense, Stanton is one and there are a couple others, you wont see much drag work coming out of places like HHP or PPP (power ported) they have a market, street pounders.

Its happeneing and the discussions are being held behind the scenes I assure you, not 1 day goes by someone isnt sharing, or Im not sharing info on what weve learned.

I call it our little "Drag Pak Confederation" (I think Im the only one But its true, a loose knit group with their own results being sought, to lend a hand where we can and support each other as we can. Share knowledge none of us could gain all of independent to take what we share as accurate and truthful and return the same. No "curveballs"

We pulled off the build because of knowledge from people like "Mr M", Mike of MPR Race Cars, Doug Duell, Larry, Jerry, and people outside that KNOW the other areas like ATI, TurboAction, TTI, Pete Z, and on and on and on.......I share info back to them on everything I see....sometimes I am wrong, sometimes right.....Mike for example helped me to correct a "Roush" issue just this week.....and it was an issue on build from them......my solution wasnt good, Mike had seen it , I hadnt....now Ill share that with all I know and they with us.

I think if any of the people I am aware of find the "Perfect Recipie" they will share it.....I know I will with them.

But we ALL inside DP world have what we HOPE will be the perfect recipie of "11 herbs and spices"

LOTS going on with the Motors......LOTS being held close to the vest......

Also we dont want the Mustangs to know what were doing.....and them, not us......I dont know how it is in the Mustang world, I havent paid as close attention as I should have, everyone says they will be this that and the other, RIGHT now I know of a car Capable of Nicking the A/SA record with Ease, and Probably the AA record if the info on his car is accurate (and I am sure enough it is we followed suit on many items) and the car lost a few more pounds.....

Do I think the SCJ's will be the first in the 8's ....Yes.....Do I think by years end the Challys will.....Yes.....Do I think the 2 can run heads up ? Yes by mid year I think its a lot closer than the people who have nothing but randon guesses and "think" they know something about both when they really know nothing of either. The SCJ's dooms for the people that get crushed is the DP owners are more familiar in most cases with their cars as the build process is different.....

The Mustang guys....well my HOPE is they only see each other as a threat and for that reason dont share info as we do....that would be GOOD for the DP world

Originally Posted by W J

Lots of the old 60's--70's equipment is maybe going to have to finally move over to nostalgia racing circuits in the next couple of years....unless they do some further adjusting to the stock and superstock classes....After dominating for almost 50 years, the new stuff will be driving around the old iron in the higher alphabet classes almost surely this season... Ford and Chrysler are leading the way, w/great new state-of-the-art cars and crate powertrains, while GM seems to be standing around w/their fingers up their butts---seemingly doing very little to promote a competetive 5th gen Camaro stocker or SS car, sadly enough... but maybe the government won't let them?? Just my .02 cents. WJ

The damm Camaros as youre saying are just ASKING to be competitive , youre right GM's Marketing has its head up their arses.

Ill tell you my "PREDICTION" when the Camaro VVT Direct Injection AND someone who knows how to build or I should say modify the code on an approved system to handle the "wonky" AFR you need to handle to tune it properly......I "THINK" the engine is capable of taking most small displacment 8s into the stone age.......Its gonna take guys who are running carbs now and drop them into the history books.....yeah yeah I know , this that and the other, this new thing never did X, that new thing never did Y and that what they said about this that and the other and "Were still here" I PROMISE you have never worked on or with a direct injection engine, its like comparing an updraft Zenith to a Dominator....And these are the things that are coming everywhere....very exciting time to be a gearhead.

Yesterday my father gave me one of the best compliments I could ever get from someone who taught me so very much about life, business, computers, everything, he said something and I said "Well it didnt used to be possible but now no problem" ,He said "You know thats one thing I have learned and had to relearn from you, Just because I tried and failed, and everyone tried and failed before they gave up the ghost 20 years ago on things, NOW they are possible and practical because of materials and technology that simply werent available 20 years ago, but the people will still tell you its not possible because they saw it fail in the past, you ignore that and say is it possible NOW ?" That was a big compliment to me to have my father say he learned something valuable from me......

Things like direct injection arent even close to new.....BUT they are now practical in everyday application, watch out for Desmo valves in your engine, 20 years and IF engines are still what we see them as I am betting materials will be available to make a maintenece nightmare an everyday item......wouldnt be the first time.