Black Tuesday?

Kent Hanley · 12-13-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby Lang

Screwing around with the indexes and triggers is all well and good, but what I wanna know is how that's going to help get rid of all the touring pro sportsman and keep me from red lighting?

Seriously, lowering the indexes is probably one of the gheyest rule changes I've ever heard of. Why not just raise the triggers? Raise the flag trigger to -1.30 and the permanent trigger to -1.55. Same thing.

-Toby

I agree to the part of Toby's comment ( not sure what gheyest is ) raising the triggers vs changing the index's

Dick Butler · 12-13-2009, 08:04 PM

TOM, I did get it backwards as far as trigger affect. This was discussed months ago as useless on correcting HP. It only changed the index. Old index 11.5, new 11.2 . Problem is the trigger should be -.8 or -.7 so it is more sensitive not less... Make a run of 10.50. the trigger...
Sorry I was bas-ak wards on the trigger change...
Note guys only one or two cars which ever attend our events are not .5 under the old index.It is still a dial in race for Eliminator but it sure would help class become more even quickly.
Thanks Tom.

Sean Cour · 12-13-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kent Hanley

I agree to the part of Toby's comment ( not sure what gheyest is ) raising the triggers vs changing the index's

Kent-

Ghey is a west coast description of something that's stupid. I was hoping for five tenths reduction and raising the trigger. lol! Seriously, I don't see too many "class racer's" having a problem with running under the new indexes. IMO

7423 · 12-13-2009, 08:38 PM

Maybe someone out there can help me understand why they would change the indexes. Anyone with a real answer???
Jack Matyas, your are a sensible guy, your thoughts please.....

Jeremy · 12-13-2009, 08:45 PM

About Time!! Index's have been way to easy way to long!

Paul Precht · 12-13-2009, 08:47 PM

If NHRA really wanted to make their AHFS work and catch all those who sandbag they would use the 1/8 mile ET for the trigger, things would be different for sure, Paul.

Sean Cour · 12-13-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Precht

If NHRA really wanted to make their AHFS work and catch all those who sandbag they would use the 1/8 mile ET for the trigger, things would be different for sure, Paul.

Paul-

The fast guys know how to slow their cars down before the 1/8th mile marker, as well as the 1/4.

Paul Precht · 12-13-2009, 09:00 PM

Yes, thats a very good point but slowing their cars down before the 1/8th mile could be a fatal decision in a heads up run, Paul.

thomas sheehan · 12-13-2009, 09:08 PM

Does everyone realize this POST should be broke up into TWO different topics?

#1 - as Toby is asking.... Why lower all indexes... it is debatable.

#2 - if trigger in 2009 is -1.15 and -1.40..... where will it end up in 2010 (if indexes are changed). Should it be even harder to trigger a review/or easier- which will have more impact to our class?

You can't debate one subject without looking at both - BUT they are two seperate subjects.

Toby Lang · 12-13-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Cour

Seriously, I don't see too many "class racer's" having a problem with running under the new indexes. IMO

You may be right, but I'm sure there will be some people who will have problems running under the new indexes. Especially at certain tracks like Bristol, but let's not get into that right now. Let's just assume that everybody can run under the new indexes without any problems.

How will lowering the indexes help you win more rounds in eliminations?
How will lowering the indexes help you win more races?
How will lowering the indexes help you win more heads-up races?
How will lowering the indexes help you win more class eliminations?
How will lowering the indexes help you be number one qualifier more often (if that's your gig.)?

-Toby

12-13-2009, 08:38 PM	#4
7423 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 639 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Black Tuesday? Maybe someone out there can help me understand why they would change the indexes. Anyone with a real answer??? Jack Matyas, your are a sensible guy, your thoughts please..... Last edited by 7423; 12-13-2009 at 08:40 PM.

12-13-2009, 08:45 PM	#5
Jeremy Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 95 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Black Tuesday? About Time!! Index's have been way to easy way to long!

12-13-2009, 08:47 PM	#6
Paul Precht Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Elysburg, Pa Posts: 730 Likes: 353 Liked 309 Times in 118 Posts	Re: Black Tuesday? If NHRA really wanted to make their AHFS work and catch all those who sandbag they would use the 1/8 mile ET for the trigger, things would be different for sure, Paul.

12-13-2009, 09:00 PM	#8
Paul Precht Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Elysburg, Pa Posts: 730 Likes: 353 Liked 309 Times in 118 Posts	Re: Black Tuesday? Yes, thats a very good point but slowing their cars down before the 1/8th mile could be a fatal decision in a heads up run, Paul.

12-13-2009, 09:08 PM	#9
thomas sheehan Photographer Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,717 Likes: 24 Liked 75 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Black Tuesday? Does everyone realize this POST should be broke up into TWO different topics? #1 - as Toby is asking.... Why lower all indexes... it is debatable. #2 - if trigger in 2009 is -1.15 and -1.40..... where will it end up in 2010 (if indexes are changed). Should it be even harder to trigger a review/or easier- which will have more impact to our class? You can't debate one subject without looking at both - BUT they are two seperate subjects. __________________ Tom Sheehan SS GT/NA 1046

12-13-2009, 08:04 PM	#2
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Black Tuesday? TOM, I did get it backwards as far as trigger affect. This was discussed months ago as useless on correcting HP. It only changed the index. Old index 11.5, new 11.2 . Problem is the trigger should be -.8 or -.7 so it is more sensitive not less... Make a run of 10.50. the trigger... Sorry I was bas-ak wards on the trigger change... Note guys only one or two cars which ever attend our events are not .5 under the old index.It is still a dial in race for Eliminator but it sure would help class become more even quickly. Thanks Tom.