Sox & Martin HEMI Challenge

[Mike McCandless]

Originally Posted by Joseph Lily

Mike I applaud your efforts and everything you have done. Bottom line there needs to be a winner. Bucky was once disqualified from the race for carburetor base plate screws being shortened to the hi throttle shaft. They awarded Wescott the runner up the trophy and he was halfway home. Had to turn around.

You would not rerun a top fuel race because of a disqualification. NASCAR would not rerun the race because of winner found illegal. It is over now but there is clearly an order and you go down the order. Need a winner this isn?t preschool baseball handing out participation awards.


I am not arguing, not ungrateful for your efforts just stating fact that every race has a winner. I feel nhra did a big disservice to all that were there, all the fans watching and anyone who was part of this presentation that no one left with a trophy and a winner declared.

A situation has happened that has never happened before, my guess is the competition committee will write rules so this can be addressed in the future.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Mike McCandless

A situation has happened that has never happened before, my guess is the competition committee will write rules so this can be addressed in the future.

Mike, thanks for what you guys have done. I can't see where the cars failing tech are any responsibility of yours. You've more than done your part, there's nothing you did that's really subject to criticism.


Yeah, it would be nice to declare a "winner". But how do you do it in this case?




Not sure how it can be resolved. In this case, the two finalists each raced 3 cars on their way to the final round. You can't selectively choose one racer defeated by an illegal competitor to give remedy to, and exclude every other racer defeated. If they were illegal, then all three racers that each faced would be reinstated. Now you have reinstated six racers. Then what? Do you run those six racers in another set of eliminations? Do you pick the top two that were bumped, and re run eliminations? Not seeing where NHRA is going to do either. I suppose they could say the quicker of the two "losers" in the semi finals is the winner, and the other is runner up. Those two get a remedy, but the other four don't?

[Mark Yacavone]

I believe this has happened before.
During the Jr Stock , once in a while a class winner failed tech so they brought in the r/u, who also failed.
That was it. NO class winner , and no one in the eliminator to represent that particular class.

[1347]

Originally Posted by trode424

Tech is tech, and rules are rules. I have zero problem with the tear downs. The issue I have is Nhra waiting til the next morning to knock on the motorhomes and tell them to go to the barn. That should of been done directly after the run, before pictures and trophies were done.

Did they knock on your motor home door Friday am after pics and a wally? because I was there, and the people who were invited to the barn were given a weight sticker with a T on it at fuel check. Stockers were there at 8am, super stockers at 12. Throughout the day on Thursday., valve covers were pulled, carbs, throttle bodies, and various other parts. The class finalist decal and wally wasn't given out until you passed. I dont know anyone who took a pic and then got called to the barn. If there was someone, let us know.

[1347]

Originally Posted by Joseph Lily

Mike I applaud your efforts and everything you have done. Bottom line there needs to be a winner. Bucky was once disqualified from the race for carburetor base plate screws being shortened to the hi throttle shaft. They awarded Wescott the runner up the trophy and he was halfway home. Had to turn around.

You would not rerun a top fuel race because of a disqualification. NASCAR would not rerun the race because of winner found illegal. It is over now but there is clearly an order and you go down the order. Need a winner this isn?t preschool baseball handing out participation awards.


I am not arguing, not ungrateful for your efforts just stating fact that every race has a winner. I feel nhra did a big disservice to all that were there, all the fans watching and anyone who was part of this presentation that no one left with a trophy and a winner declared.

There was a Summernationls in the early 70s that Truman Fields won, he failed tech, and so did the runner up. I was told there was no winner that year.

[Rich Biebel]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

I believe this has happened before.
During the Jr Stock , once in a while a class winner failed tech so they brought in the r/u, who also failed.
That was it. NO class winner , and no one in the eliminator to represent that particular class.

Mark is 100% correct. That is exactly how it was at Indy or any other national event in the mid 1960?s

[Joseph Lily]

Has there ever been a top fuel race, nascar race or Indy 500 in all of history with no winner declared?

Maybe I see the Hemi Shootout with its $15k top prize, special trophy, race run on a separate day then normal Super Stock class cars a little different. but I was stupid enough to go to Indy solely for the purpose of the Hemi shootout alone. Silly me thought it comparable to my above mentioned examples.

My point to you Mike was you did something extra special here keeping this alive. Your father one of the original gangsters announcing it, thank you. I hoped after next year mopar might pick this shootout back up again. A very special race for some and I guess I?m wrong when I see it more compared with SS class than the Indy 500. Not for me though????..

[Mike McCandless]

I am doing it for next year and hope to bring in additional sponsors to boost the prize purse. T

[SDmopar]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Mike, thanks for what you guys have done. I can't see where the cars failing tech are any responsibility of yours. You've more than done your part, there's nothing you did that's really subject to criticism.


Yeah, it would be nice to declare a "winner". But how do you do it in this case?




Not sure how it can be resolved. In this case, the two finalists each raced 3 cars on their way to the final round. You can't selectively choose one racer defeated by an illegal competitor to give remedy to, and exclude every other racer defeated. If they were illegal, then all three racers that each faced would be reinstated. Now you have reinstated six racers. Then what? Do you run those six racers in another set of eliminations? Do you pick the top two that were bumped, and re run eliminations? Not seeing where NHRA is going to do either. I suppose they could say the quicker of the two "losers" in the semi finals is the winner, and the other is runner up. Those two get a remedy, but the other four don't?

Not to mention do we know if the semi finals runner ups would pass the same tech that caused the finalists to be DQ?d? End of the day I?d rather have NHRA checking cars over than having a winner. It would seem as if there is a rejuvenated tech department that we have all been begging for. That?s is a great thing for Class Racing!!

[Mike Schwartz]

Originally Posted by 1347

There was a Summernationls in the early 70s that Truman Fields won, he failed tech, and so did the runner up. I was told there was no winner that year.

I remember the Winners' Circle photo on the front cover of National Dragster to this day. Back then, the Pro and Sportsman winners stood or kneeled together in front of the Christmas tree, in a group shot holding their Wallys. The photo was altered to remove Truman Fields' image.