new A/FX CLASS

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by JeremyDuncan

As long as the shipping weights are some what close to what the cars actually weigh. Not 500lbs+ lighter.

The problem here is all of the modern cars have at least that much that can be legally removed.

When I match raced Robin Lawrence, I had over 400 lbs of ballast in my COPO. If I were running the production LT1 the only major difference is the hood. Where do I put another 500 lbs?

[JeremyDuncan]

Originally Posted by GUMP

The problem here is all of the modern cars have at least that much that can be legally removed.

When I match raced Robin Lawrence, I had over 400 lbs of ballast in my COPO. If I were running the production LT1 the only major difference is the hood. Where do I put another 500 lbs?

It's called shipping weight not weight with legally removed items. Older cars face similar issues. Ask anyone racing a Corvette in Stock or SS.

[Henrys Toy]

Originally Posted by GUMP

The problem here is all of the modern cars have at least that much that can be legally removed.

When I match raced Robin Lawrence, I had over 400 lbs of ballast in my COPO. If I were running the production LT1 the only major difference is the hood. Where do I put another 500 lbs?

Good morning to all,
Just on the "silly side" I've always found the Cheese Burger, Pizza and Beer diet to help add a couple of Pounds right in the drivers seat. Legal ballast and a good artery clogger as well. Probably easier to find an over weight driver then a skinny one! Enjoy the Pizza and Beer and lets go racing!

Respectfully,
Henry Kunz 1534 H/SA

[JeremyDuncan]

Originally Posted by GUMP

The problem here is all of the modern cars have at least that much that can be legally removed.

When I match raced Robin Lawrence, I had over 400 lbs of ballast in my COPO. If I were running the production LT1 the only major difference is the hood. Where do I put another 500 lbs?

Also we are referring to production cars being put in the guide, not Copo, drag Paks, & CJ's

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by JeremyDuncan

Also we are referring to production cars being put in the guide, not Copo, drag Paks, & CJ's

Yep. And like I said, there is very little difference between my COPO and a production Camaro in legal Stock Eliminstor trim. Just the weight of the hood and intake manifold.

The new cars are nothing like the old cars. The seats, wheels, wiring, modules, rear cradle, transmissions, emissions, safety, equipment, etc. have made them stupid heavy in production form.

[JeremyDuncan]

Originally Posted by GUMP

When I match raced Robin Lawrence, I had over 400 lbs of ballast in my COPO. If I were running the production LT1 the only major difference is the hood. Where do I put another 500 lbs?

Factory Hood instead of carbon fiber+30lbs

With production car you have to run the battery in the front where they were put by factory. So front battery and add one in the back. +50lbs

Use factory seats instead of light weight race seats +120lbs

With production car in stock you can even use back seat +75lbs

Instead of light weight 3 or 5 gallon fuel cell use max allowed 16gal fuel cell or even better heavier stock fuel tank. +75lbs

No rule that a car has to be built with chrome moly instead of mild steel. Mild steel cage with few extra bars +90lbs

Add factory spare tire and jack. +45lbs

NHRA allowed 500lbs of permanent mounted ballast.

Walla 4000lbs LT1 2023 SS Camaro.

[JeremyDuncan]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Yep. And like I said, there is very little difference between my COPO and a production Camaro in legal Stock Eliminstor trim. Just the weight of the hood and intake manifold.

The new cars are nothing like the old cars. The seats, wheels, wiring, modules, rear cradle, transmissions, emissions, safety, equipment, etc. have made them stupid heavy in production form.

And yet they are suppose/expected to run under the same rules.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by JeremyDuncan

Factory Hood instead of carbon fiber+30lbs

With production car you have to run the battery in the front where they were put by factory. So front battery and add one in the back. +50lbs

Use factory seats instead of light weight race seats +120lbs

With production car in stock you can even use back seat +75lbs

Instead of light weight 3 or 5 gallon fuel cell use max allowed 16gal fuel cell or even better heavier stock fuel tank. +75lbs

No rule that a car has to be built with chrome moly instead of mild steel. Mild steel cage with few extra bars +90lbs

Add factory spare tire and jack. +45lbs

NHRA allowed 500lbs of permanent mounted ballast.

Walla 4000lbs LT1 2023 SS Camaro.

Well, you just described a car that no one would build!

On another note, I have been told to make it clear that it is FX not A/FX.

[JeremyDuncan]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Well, you just described a car that no one would build!

On another note, I have been told to make it clear that it is FX not A/FX.

And there are hundreds if not thousands of cars in guide that "no one would build".

Should we manipulate the rules so the other unfavorable cars in the guide will be built?

[onefarmer]

Originally Posted by Keith 944

Someone please explain to me and to the casual observer/fan. What is the difference in that Camaro and any other pro stock? Other than a different engine combo, they look identical. Is there really a need for another class? Most of the X pro stocks in comp are the same way, no difference to the fan…. Sorry I thought it was a great idea at first but then realized that’s what pro stock used to be before a loss of parity and so now the all Camaro show that it turned into. I would’ve loved to of seen them somehow fix pro stock invest more into that instead of creating several more classes that just may not work.

The FX cars must be the same dimensions as the stock production cars. Same engine rules apply for FX as FSS, larger rear tire and 5 spd. The FSS cars could go below 7.50 with out the constant rule adjustments and NHRA does not want any passes in the 7.5s with these cars. The FSS are 1000 lbs heavier with half the rear tire and make more power than the prostocks do. The FX cars should be much safer to run than the FSS and take away some of the limitations of the small tire and chassis of the FSS.