Hey Troy Huntzberry, Do The Right Thing!

James Perrone · 10-18-2022, 05:29 PM

I was not there
But as Casey stated both cars were dialed on index
If there ever was a good reason for a rerun it’s that situation
I agree with you live with the dial I on your car
But both are dialing INDEX.
You guys are telling me your ok losing when it’s the same for both drivers?
Unfortunate for Casey braking his car.
Someone told Troy to go back up as the winner.
So figure who made the call

I believe the division director is the last word

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Jim Wahl · 10-18-2022, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by James Perrone

I was not there
But as Casey stated both cars were dialed on index
If there ever was a good reason for a rerun it’s that situation
I agree with you live with the dial I on your car
But both are dialing INDEX.
You guys are telling me your ok losing when it’s the same for both drivers?
Unfortunate for Casey braking his car.
Someone told Troy to go back up as the winner.
So figure who made the call

I believe the division director is the last word

I

No James, the rule book and California has the last word. If this was you, YOU would be screaming bloody murder and you know it. The bottom line is the drivers bare the responsibility of checking their dial on the board. That is the rule, period. It doesn't matter who screwed up. The driver has one job before staging Neither driver did that job. The DD didn't do his job either, he didn't enforce the rules in the book! Rules are rules. That's why they charge you $10 to buy a rule book and tell you to go by them. He can not make the rules up on a whim. Jim

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Tom Meyer · 10-18-2022, 06:59 PM

No pup in this fight, just need info. What about going up staging, break the beam and getting pushed back for the win, is this still legal? Do you still have to go down weigh and fuel check. Did his opponents time slip say looser? Did his opponent go over the scale before going to his pit, this used to be a automatic DQ. Lots of questions few answers. Maybe Bobby needs to have the Div Director on Tech Tuesday pod cast .As long as the dial in is the index or below should be legal. If the other guy would have looked up at the score board and seen that his win light was not on he should have lifted, that's twice on 1 run. Most of usually get only one chance at screwing up and still winning. Its going to be a long winter.. Tom

Jim Wahl · 10-18-2022, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Meyer

No pup in this fight, just need info. What about going up staging break the beam and getting pushed back for the win, is this still legal? Do you still have to go down weigh and fuel check. Did his opponents time slip say looser? Did his opponent go over the scale before going to his pit, this used to be a automatic DQ. Lots of questions few answers. Maybe Bobby needs to have the Div Director on Tech Tuesday pod cast. Its going to be a long winter.. Tom

Yes, you must stage and take the green, which Casey did. He also went down the track and scaled. The time slip (both drivers got the same one) gave Casey the win. The video shows the win light in Casey's lane after Troy broke out. This was not a bye run just because Casey broke on the run. Troy was making a run in competition. I have no knowledge if Troy scaled after the run or not. I have to assume he did. It used to be in the old days you had to make the run under your own power, great for the spectators, watching the driver push his car down the track, but that took too much time and that was abolished and the broken car can be towed. Jim

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Steve Stasko · 10-19-2022, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by James Perrone

I believe the division director is the last word

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Yep.

Authority granted by Section 1.4 of the rulebook everyone keeps referencing here...

Billy Nees · 10-19-2022, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Stasko

Authority granted by Section 1.4 of the rulebook

Yer right. It's there in black-and-white! Like it or not.

Lenny5160 · 10-19-2022, 08:32 AM

How I’d feel about this situation is different depending on how the ruling came about.

Did the DD recognize the error and call for a rerun due to staff error, or did one of the drivers who staged on an incorrect dial run to the tower demanding a rerun?

I don’t need to know the answer in this case.

Larry Hill · 10-19-2022, 08:45 AM

1.4 FINALITY OF DECISIONS BY EVENT DIRECTOR, DESIGNEES OR OTHER EVENT OFFICIALS

Last sentence in paragraph one is worth reading.

“While the decisions, actions or inactions of Event Officials are not appealable, NHRA reserves the right to reverse such decisions or review such actions or inactions on its own initiative if it determines, in its sole and absolute judgment, that such action is warranted.”

I still wonder what prompted the decision to override the timing computer and the the race procedures spelled out in the rules.

10-18-2022, 05:29 PM	#1
James Perrone VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LONG ISLAND N.Y. Posts: 1,673 Likes: 3,361 Liked 1,804 Times in 422 Posts	Re: Hey Troy Huntzberry, Do The Right Thing! I was not there But as Casey stated both cars were dialed on index If there ever was a good reason for a rerun it’s that situation I agree with you live with the dial I on your car But both are dialing INDEX. You guys are telling me your ok losing when it’s the same for both drivers? Unfortunate for Casey braking his car. Someone told Troy to go back up as the winner. So figure who made the call I believe the division director is the last word I __________________ james perrone 1290 STK

10-18-2022, 06:59 PM	#3
Tom Meyer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Pierce NE Posts: 936 Likes: 78 Liked 354 Times in 120 Posts	Re: Hey Troy Huntzberry, Do The Right Thing! No pup in this fight, just need info. What about going up staging, break the beam and getting pushed back for the win, is this still legal? Do you still have to go down weigh and fuel check. Did his opponents time slip say looser? Did his opponent go over the scale before going to his pit, this used to be a automatic DQ. Lots of questions few answers. Maybe Bobby needs to have the Div Director on Tech Tuesday pod cast .As long as the dial in is the index or below should be legal. If the other guy would have looked up at the score board and seen that his win light was not on he should have lifted, that's twice on 1 run. Most of usually get only one chance at screwing up and still winning. Its going to be a long winter.. Tom __________________ Tom Meyer 5240 SS Stock ??? Last edited by Tom Meyer; 10-18-2022 at 07:29 PM. Reason: added

10-19-2022, 08:32 AM	#7
Lenny5160 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Inver Grove Heights, MN Posts: 898 Likes: 604 Liked 431 Times in 224 Posts	Re: Hey Troy Huntzberry, Do The Right Thing! How I’d feel about this situation is different depending on how the ruling came about. Did the DD recognize the error and call for a rerun due to staff error, or did one of the drivers who staged on an incorrect dial run to the tower demanding a rerun? I don’t need to know the answer in this case. __________________ S/ST 51 S/C 53

10-19-2022, 08:45 AM	#8
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,631 Likes: 1,925 Liked 10,684 Times in 2,224 Posts	Re: Hey Troy Huntzberry, Do The Right Thing! 1.4 FINALITY OF DECISIONS BY EVENT DIRECTOR, DESIGNEES OR OTHER EVENT OFFICIALS Last sentence in paragraph one is worth reading. “While the decisions, actions or inactions of Event Officials are not appealable, NHRA reserves the right to reverse such decisions or review such actions or inactions on its own initiative if it determines, in its sole and absolute judgment, that such action is warranted.” I still wonder what prompted the decision to override the timing computer and the the race procedures spelled out in the rules. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817