Horsepower welfare changes.....

jamie2370 · 01-12-2020, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeMoller

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like the old spec said no decrease for 3 (or 5?) years once NHRA had increased it. Now it says no decrease considered once they have increased it. So increases are forever.

However, don't think the changes will affect requests, seems like a lot of requests were submitted 'hoping' for approval but knowing they wouldn't be.

Mike, I have the same question. Wording seems to state that once you get HP that you can NEVER get a decrease? Def needs clarification

MikeMoller · 01-13-2020, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jamie2370

Mike, I have the same question. Wording seems to state that once you get HP that you can NEVER get a decrease? Def needs clarification

What about combo's that were increased years ago? 1975 Chevy Monza with a 262/110 changed to 171 hp (auto) on 10/16/2012. Is this not eligible for HP decrease??

Billy Nees · 01-13-2020, 08:32 PM

Barry, HP increases must be given on a percentage basis. You can't (well, you can, NHRA did for years) just give HP 3 or 5 or 10 at a time. As an example, a 3 HP hit to an A car (8.00 lbs.) is a 24 lb. weight penalty. The same 3 HP hit to a U car (20 lbs.) is 60 lbs.! Now look at your 10 HP hit, 80 vs. 200 lbs.!

B Parker · 01-13-2020, 11:11 PM

Billy you are correct. My point was to make the system simple and so less games have to be played all year to avoid a hp hit. If you do go fast but not too fast you get a minor amount of hp not enough to ruin your combo. Something that would only make you have to carry about 20 pds. If you go real fast you get a hp hit to put you inline with what the hp should be for that combo.
The KISS rule should be in effort for the AHFS BP

B Parker · 01-13-2020, 11:33 PM

I'm sure I'll get attacked for this one. But how many comb's in 600ft of air or less in a heads up run on kill do you think can go somewhere around 1:20 under. Maybe not your car but someone else that is running your combo. Here is something I don't want to see happen. Lets take the 1969 350/255 hp combo. There are a lot of them out there. And that combo has been beat on as much as any. Now Indy has shown the 350 combo is not the fastest in the class the last several years. So you get two H/SA cars one being the 350 and the other a Chrysler heads up in a later round at a race. Both are on kill and the air is good say 600ft. The 350 wins and only by .03 and goes 1.22under. The 350 is already not the fastest in the class so how much more weight and further behind do we want to put them. BP

James Perrone · 01-14-2020, 07:12 PM

How about run class at divisionals
. More cars involved .
More chances for fast runs .
Think about it. With 60 cars at National events nobody gonna get HP
Usually the #1 qualifier will go 1 second under. And mineshaft happens
Also Indy needs to count. It’s the only race that people will go stupid fast.
This is a way to make the system work.
The sandbagging at a class race will not work.

Frank Castros · 01-14-2020, 08:55 PM

You have a no expense spared, state of the art, cutting edge, amazingly beautiful Stock Eliminator car that you have worked very, very hard to refine it's carefully chosen combination to run like a bat out of hell, only to very carefully protect it's factor by not running too fast or fast too often, even if means racing to 1000 feet during a heads up run against a formidable foe.

What am I missing here?

01-13-2020, 08:32 PM	#3
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,493 Likes: 3,595 Liked 7,716 Times in 1,738 Posts	Re: Horsepower welfare changes..... Barry, HP increases must be given on a percentage basis. You can't (well, you can, NHRA did for years) just give HP 3 or 5 or 10 at a time. As an example, a 3 HP hit to an A car (8.00 lbs.) is a 24 lb. weight penalty. The same 3 HP hit to a U car (20 lbs.) is 60 lbs.! Now look at your 10 HP hit, 80 vs. 200 lbs.! __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

01-13-2020, 11:11 PM	#4
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 849 Likes: 980 Liked 2,336 Times in 464 Posts	Re: Horsepower welfare changes..... Billy you are correct. My point was to make the system simple and so less games have to be played all year to avoid a hp hit. If you do go fast but not too fast you get a minor amount of hp not enough to ruin your combo. Something that would only make you have to carry about 20 pds. If you go real fast you get a hp hit to put you inline with what the hp should be for that combo. The KISS rule should be in effort for the AHFS BP Last edited by B Parker; 01-13-2020 at 11:14 PM.

01-13-2020, 11:33 PM	#5
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 849 Likes: 980 Liked 2,336 Times in 464 Posts	Re: Horsepower welfare changes..... I'm sure I'll get attacked for this one. But how many comb's in 600ft of air or less in a heads up run on kill do you think can go somewhere around 1:20 under. Maybe not your car but someone else that is running your combo. Here is something I don't want to see happen. Lets take the 1969 350/255 hp combo. There are a lot of them out there. And that combo has been beat on as much as any. Now Indy has shown the 350 combo is not the fastest in the class the last several years. So you get two H/SA cars one being the 350 and the other a Chrysler heads up in a later round at a race. Both are on kill and the air is good say 600ft. The 350 wins and only by .03 and goes 1.22under. The 350 is already not the fastest in the class so how much more weight and further behind do we want to put them. BP Last edited by B Parker; 01-13-2020 at 11:35 PM.

01-14-2020, 07:12 PM	#6
James Perrone VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LONG ISLAND N.Y. Posts: 1,676 Likes: 3,374 Liked 1,820 Times in 425 Posts	Re: Horsepower welfare changes..... How about run class at divisionals . More cars involved . More chances for fast runs . Think about it. With 60 cars at National events nobody gonna get HP Usually the #1 qualifier will go 1 second under. And mineshaft happens Also Indy needs to count. It’s the only race that people will go stupid fast. This is a way to make the system work. The sandbagging at a class race will not work. __________________ james perrone 1290 STK

01-14-2020, 08:55 PM	#7
Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 2,970 Likes: 2,584 Liked 2,718 Times in 958 Posts	Re: Horsepower welfare changes..... You have a no expense spared, state of the art, cutting edge, amazingly beautiful Stock Eliminator car that you have worked very, very hard to refine it's carefully chosen combination to run like a bat out of hell, only to very carefully protect it's factor by not running too fast or fast too often, even if means racing to 1000 feet during a heads up run against a formidable foe. What am I missing here?