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MR DERBY CITY 01-10-2020 02:04 PM

Horsepower welfare changes.....
 
Appears as though the WELFARE line will be shortened this year.....one request per competitor per review period......huh ...??

jmcarter 01-10-2020 02:32 PM

Re: Horsepower welfare changes.....
 
http://www.nhraracer.com/content/gen...703&zoneid=132

MikeMoller 01-10-2020 10:39 PM

Re: Horsepower welfare changes.....
 
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like the old spec said no decrease for 3 (or 5?) years once NHRA had increased it. Now it says no decrease considered once they have increased it. So increases are forever.

However, don't think the changes will affect requests, seems like a lot of requests were submitted 'hoping' for approval but knowing they wouldn't be.

Bobby Fazio 01-12-2020 03:23 PM

Re: Horsepower welfare changes.....
 
"No runs made during exempt events, National Opens, test and tune, time trials, 1/8th mile events or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review."

I don't like this. So you can sandbag and go -.549 under all year and then go -1.80 under at Indy and National Opens, and still get a HP reduction. I would certainly hope this would fall under "The decision to adjust horsepower will be at the discretion of the AHFS Committee." I get it (and still think it is dumb) that Indy runs are exempt from HP increases but they should definitely be taken into account when reviewing requests for HP decreases.

jamie2370 01-12-2020 07:19 PM

Re: Horsepower welfare changes.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeMoller (Post 605914)
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like the old spec said no decrease for 3 (or 5?) years once NHRA had increased it. Now it says no decrease considered once they have increased it. So increases are forever.

However, don't think the changes will affect requests, seems like a lot of requests were submitted 'hoping' for approval but knowing they wouldn't be.

Mike, I have the same question. Wording seems to state that once you get HP that you can NEVER get a decrease? Def needs clarification

Bob Smith 01-12-2020 07:23 PM

Re: Horsepower welfare changes.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fazio (Post 606007)
"No runs made during exempt events, National Opens, test and tune, time trials, 1/8th mile events or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review."

I don't like this. So you can sandbag and go -.549 under all year and then go -1.80 under at Indy and National Opens, and still get a HP reduction. I would certainly hope this would fall under "The decision to adjust horsepower will be at the discretion of the AHFS Committee." I get it (and still think it is dumb) that Indy runs are exempt from HP increases but they should definitely be taken into account when reviewing requests for HP decreases.

You are 100% right Bobby

Mepprecht 01-12-2020 09:00 PM

Re: Horsepower welfare changes.....
 
almost nothing changed, only the highlighted stuff reads any different then any other year recently....

Jim Cimarolli 01-12-2020 10:16 PM

Re: Horsepower welfare changes.....
 
Ignorance knows no evil.

jmantle 01-13-2020 12:16 AM

Re: Horsepower welfare changes.....
 
[QUOTE=Bobby Fazio;606007]"No runs made during exempt events, National Opens, test and tune, time trials, 1/8th mile events or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review."

I don't see any mention of Indy so I would have to presume Indy is not exempt.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

charlie westcott 01-13-2020 12:40 PM

Re: Horsepower welfare changes.....
 
At what point is it so complicated that someone says "hey, why cant someone use a little common sense and level it out"
Its turning into an example of over complication that only a few understand, or care to even read. I got to the second sentence and threw in the towel.
When People I know, go to a race, and shut off at the 1000' so they can bring the average down, then something is fundamentally wrong with the whole system.

Later, and good luck
cw


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