Horsepower welfare changes.....

[MikeMoller]

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like the old spec said no decrease for 3 (or 5?) years once NHRA had increased it. Now it says no decrease considered once they have increased it. So increases are forever.

However, don't think the changes will affect requests, seems like a lot of requests were submitted 'hoping' for approval but knowing they wouldn't be.

[Bobby Fazio]

"No runs made during exempt events, National Opens, test and tune, time trials, 1/8th mile events or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review."

I don't like this. So you can sandbag and go -.549 under all year and then go -1.80 under at Indy and National Opens, and still get a HP reduction. I would certainly hope this would fall under "The decision to adjust horsepower will be at the discretion of the AHFS Committee." I get it (and still think it is dumb) that Indy runs are exempt from HP increases but they should definitely be taken into account when reviewing requests for HP decreases.

[Bob Smith]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fazio

"No runs made during exempt events, National Opens, test and tune, time trials, 1/8th mile events or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review."

I don't like this. So you can sandbag and go -.549 under all year and then go -1.80 under at Indy and National Opens, and still get a HP reduction. I would certainly hope this would fall under "The decision to adjust horsepower will be at the discretion of the AHFS Committee." I get it (and still think it is dumb) that Indy runs are exempt from HP increases but they should definitely be taken into account when reviewing requests for HP decreases.

You are 100% right Bobby

[Mepprecht]

almost nothing changed, only the highlighted stuff reads any different then any other year recently....

[Jim Cimarolli]

Ignorance knows no evil.

[jmantle]

[QUOTE=Bobby Fazio;606007]"No runs made during exempt events, National Opens, test and tune, time trials, 1/8th mile events or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review."

I don't see any mention of Indy so I would have to presume Indy is not exempt.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

[charlie westcott]

At what point is it so complicated that someone says "hey, why cant someone use a little common sense and level it out"
Its turning into an example of over complication that only a few understand, or care to even read. I got to the second sentence and threw in the towel.
When People I know, go to a race, and shut off at the 1000' so they can bring the average down, then something is fundamentally wrong with the whole system.

Later, and good luck
cw

[B Parker]

Originally Posted by charlie westcott

At what point is it so complicated that someone says "hey, why cant someone use a little common sense and level it out"
Its turning into an example of over complication that only a few understand, or care to even read. I got to the second sentence and threw in the towel.
When People I know, go to a race, and shut off at the 1000' so they can bring the average down, then something is fundamentally wrong with the whole system.

Later, and good luck
cw

Charlie you sure have that right. At the Epping Divisional Alan Reinhart was announcing and asking our Div. Director to make it a mineshaft race so cars would run to the quarter mile instead of shutting down at the 1,000 ft. Again I'm not saying to lower the index's but I would have hoped before now someone would realize the 15 year old system would need to get up to speed with the last 15 years of Tec. BP

[B Parker]

Here is how simple the system could be. Count the same races they do now. No mine shaft conditions anymore. And no more reviews every six months. Go 1:15 under at any of the races and get 3 hp added to your combo. Go 1:20 to 1:25 under and get 5 hp added 1:26 to 1:30 get 10hp added Any faster than 1:31 under combo needs to be evaluated and hp added. And I agree with most of you if you cause an instant hp hit to your combo tear down is required. Indy should count for slow averages. They would need to work out something as far as tear downs. If you have a time trial on Saturday morning and you are running first round only a few hr's later. Or if you are in a later round of eliminations and time or personal doesn't allow it to happen at that race. BP

PS And for all of you that think Indy should count. How about all qualifying runs count. Only class runs are exempt. First round of Class is no longer counted as a qualifying run. And so the system would keep up with tec every year the numbers increase by .01. Example next year it would start at 1:16 before instant hp hit and so on. System gets evaluated every 2 years. Just like our seat belts that are worn out.

For a hp decrease only once a year review. Count all runs in any car for that year motor. If average is .05 or less a 5 hp decrease.

[jamie2370]

Originally Posted by MikeMoller

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like the old spec said no decrease for 3 (or 5?) years once NHRA had increased it. Now it says no decrease considered once they have increased it. So increases are forever.

However, don't think the changes will affect requests, seems like a lot of requests were submitted 'hoping' for approval but knowing they wouldn't be.

Mike, I have the same question. Wording seems to state that once you get HP that you can NEVER get a decrease? Def needs clarification