what happened to Jeff Lee

[MAURICE BLENDHEIM]

Could someone please pass me the popcorn!

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by MAURICE BLENDHEIM

Could someone please pass me the popcorn!

With butter?

[Dwight Southerland]

Ed -
You are missing the whole point. The issue is not the historical facts about what or what did not happen 40 years ago; the issue is that if Chrysler, acting as the manufacturer since they own everything American Motors, submitted a legitimate technical update for those engines today, it should be honored and accepted (Thanks for the info, Adger!). Chrysler did the same thing with the single 4-bbl NASCAR Hemis 35 years after the fact and all those parts are now in the books. Shelby did the same thing for his cars. It's the inconsistency of NHRA Tech that is the rub, not the historical facts. From what I know, every one of Jeff Lee's requests were turned down, so he is not the villain here. NHRA claimed to have found a document from AMC they received in the 1970 era that submitted the high performance camshaft as a service replacement and that is how that got in the books. And now Chrysler has submitted a request for the intake and carb. Yet the parts listed on both submittals have been removed because of a smear campaign against Jeff Lee when he was not the originator of either request, and an appeal to some history that is irrelevant to the issues. So what's your deal?

[Dave Casey]

New parts get added now and then, and I understand it. Sometimes it is new information, sometimes it is an effort to make life easier because of obsolescence, sometimes it is slipped thru by a racer in a loophole .

Correct me if I am wrong here,

there were multiple items approved for many AMC combos, and all were performance improving items. There should've been a substantial HP rating increase on all the effected combos when the parts were allowed. I don't think that happened, and that was just plan BS.

Is it true that it has all been rescinded ? and it is back to what is was a year or 2 ago ?

[Dwight Southerland]

AHFS - NHRA Pollyanna Principle

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

Ed -
You are missing the whole point. The issue is not the historical facts about what or what did not happen 40 years ago; the issue is that if Chrysler, acting as the manufacturer since they own everything American Motors, submitted a legitimate technical update for those engines today, it should be honored and accepted (Thanks for the info, Adger!). Chrysler did the same thing with the single 4-bbl NASCAR Hemis 35 years after the fact and all those parts are now in the books. Shelby did the same thing for his cars. It's the inconsistency of NHRA Tech that is the rub, not the historical facts. From what I know, every one of Jeff Lee's requests were turned down, so he is not the villain here. NHRA claimed to have found a document from AMC they received in the 1970 era that submitted the high performance camshaft as a service replacement and that is how that got in the books. And now Chrysler has submitted a request for the intake and carb. Yet the parts listed on both submittals have been removed because of a smear campaign against Jeff Lee when he was not the originator of either request, and an appeal to some history that is irrelevant to the issues. So what's your deal?

Dwight, along with some of the stuff that's been approved across the board by manufacturer over the past few years I liken it to revisionist history. It seems Ca.
doesn't have the *alls to stand up to them.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Dwight, along with some of the stuff that's been approved across the board by manufacturer over the past few years I liken it to revisionist history. It seems Ca.
doesn't have the *alls to stand up to them.

So, let me understand this whole AMC drama...

1. Ed and Jim are trying to maintain the purity of the AMC brand by not allowing alternate OEM parts that the OEM provided NHRA legal objective evidence for its approval, that also happened to correspond to some of the parts shown in the Group 19 catalog. This, with having the knowledge the same has been done with others makes and OEM's. Noted why they will not be interested in seeing the make they seem to cherish, AMC, kick some butt.

2. Billy Nees, goes to his NHRA friends that happens to have influence in the Stock and Super Stock class decisions, and convinces him to rescind the approved parts for which legal documentation was provided for.

In the later, I believe is a case of a personal retribution against Jeff because I have never seen Billy put this much effort in getting this done as applicable to Chevy, Ford or Mopar makes.

This is my summary and Cliff Notes of this drama!

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

So, let me understand this whole AMC drama...

1. Ed and Jim are trying to maintain the purity of the AMC brand by not allowing alternate OEM parts that the OEM provided NHRA legal objective evidence for its approval, that also happened to correspond to some of the parts shown in the Group 19 catalog. This, with having the knowledge the same has been done with others makes and OEM's. Noted why they will not be interested in seeing the make they seem to cherish, AMC, kick some butt.

2. Billy Nees, goes to his NHRA friends that happens to have influence in the Stock and Super Stock class decisions, and convinces him to rescind the approved parts for which legal documentation was provided for.

In the later, I believe is a case of a personal retribution against Jeff because I have never seen Billy put this much effort in getting this done as applicable to Chevy, Ford or Mopar makes.

This is my summary and Cliff Notes of this drama!

I'm not going to drag his name into this conversation but I have it from this person that in the 40 or so years of his close affiliation with AMC/Chrysler/Jeep he never once saw the installation of any of these parts. As far as Billy's part I'll let him speak for himself,but I don't know if he'll want to communicate with someone so vain they can't use their real name when bashing someone else.
So in summation the submission of these parts are pure bull**** just as the factory horse power factors for the new Ford/Mopar/Chevy ringers, who have done more to negate all the work and money put in by many racers in NHRA S/SS.
As far as AMC kicking butt the new cars rule the majority of classes from G up.The only place AMC has a chance is the lower classes. Jim and I proved that you can build a competitive combo without bogus parts and HP factors.And Billys talent with low buck combos is beyond reproach.
BTW do you have a car on the track now.Inquisitive minds want to know.

[Adger Smith]

What is the matter Ed? You can drag around many names, but you refuse to drag around "The" Major player in this issue. That is just your own brand of protecting "Your Buddy" ... Now we see you are just as guilty of the same thing you have accused others. Ed, now we know that you are protecting Billy and his NHRA buddy. It's a great smoke screen you are spewing out all in the guise of the rules being fair. NHRA's decision to rescind all boils down to a personal issue between Billy and Jeff. (As well as others & you, too) Yes, in this case Billy proved he has more "Stroke" with NHRA than Chrysler and Jeff Lee. Keep churning the pot in hopes everyone forgets the real problem. I should have stopped when I said case closed... I'm out of here I haven't got time for your Cr*^.
OH, BTW. Why do you think IHRA approved the parts? Could it be that their head Tech man just happened to be an AMC rep and knew about all the Autolite crab driveability problems they cured with Holley carbs?

[Eric Pearson AMX]

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