Is there a supreme tech god for Stock and Super/Stock

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by art leong

When they told me at E'town last year not to come back with my fenders. They sent a formal letter to me and CC it to all division directors. It was quite an embarassment to me. All over a couple of holes in fenders that had inner fenderwells and was absolutly no aerodynamic or performance advantage.

Damn....I KNEW you were cheating....The acid dipping made holes in your fenders LOL.....Im just kidding Art. They (NHRA) have treated you (and Ray) in a chicken s##t way on lots of occasions. Especially the deck height ruling a few years ago. What crap !

[art leong]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Damn....I KNEW you were cheating....The acid dipping made holes in your fenders LOL.....Im just kidding Art. They (NHRA) have treated you (and Ray) in a chicken s##t way on lots of occasions. Especially the deck height ruling a few years ago. What crap !

The fenders were on my Neon they were fiberglass I tried to acid dip them but my acid must not have been strong enough. I'll have to have a talk with my drug dealer.
On our Challenger Greg used to personally test our fenders for chemical cleaning. He would put his or Marty Barret's bellies on them. If they din't bend they were good to go.

[Chuck Beach]

Terry I agree with you, and it is their show, but let's face it, they opened up this can of worms by allowing all of these enhancements that we have today. Enforcing these enhancements has made it very difficult for the tech guys, who I think do a great job and put in a lot of hours. Just like trying to reduce the deficit, putting this type of program in place would take time and probably more people.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Chuck Beach

Terry I agree with you, and it is their show, but let's face it, they opened up this can of worms by allowing all of these enhancements that we have today. Enforcing these enhancements has made it very difficult for the tech guys, who I think do a great job and put in a lot of hours. Just like trying to reduce the deficit, putting this type of program in place would take time and probably more people.

I agrre but we know NHRA/IHRA wont or cannot afford expend the resources to do this. We can only hope.

[Alan Roehrich]

Most of the "enhancements" have been allowed because NHRA didn't want to look for them in tech to see if they were there when they weren't legal. Of course, racers who didn't want to take stuff apart for tech inspection and complained about doing it didn't help, either.

[Chuck Beach]

Terry I hope you understand and I will clerify my comments, they are not directed at the tech guys themselves but at NHRA/IHRA who puts the policies, process and guidelines in place for the tech guys to follow. By setting up this type of system (which should have been done years ago), the tech guys would have an easier job of understanding and enforcing the rules. In addition, when the tech guys find an infraction and do the right thing, IHRA/NHRA should be behind them and support that decision. Unfortunately we know where that stands .. I go back to 2003 when we were at St. Louis and a good friend of mine was protested and had to tear down on raceday. The tech guys said no, the rule book makes it clear for protests, they were over ruled by the higher ups and he had to tear down anyway, with no possible way of making 1st round.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Chuck Beach

Terry I hope you understand and I will clerify my comments, they are not directed at the tech guys themselves but at NHRA/IHRA who puts the policies, process and guidelines in place for the tech guys to follow. By setting up this type of system (which should have been done years ago), the tech guys would have an easier job of understanding and enforcing the rules. In addition, when the tech guys find an infraction and do the right thing, IHRA/NHRA should be behind them and support that decision. Unfortunately we know where that stands .. I go back to 2003 when we were at St. Louis and a good friend of mine was protested and had to tear down on raceday. The tech guys said no, the rule book makes it clear for protests, they were over ruled by the higher ups and he had to tear down anyway, with no possible way of making 1st round.

Yes I understand. The instance with your friend sounds like some back door back slapping went on. I have seen how some racers were treated differently in the past at NHRA events. That is probably how the cylinder head and intake mess got out of hand when it was first being done. I also was up against the upper management the last couple of years I worked for IHRA. Now you see what we have.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Chuck Beach

Terry I agree with you, and it is their show, but let's face it, they opened up this can of worms by allowing all of these enhancements that we have today. Enforcing these enhancements has made it very difficult for the tech guys, who I think do a great job and put in a lot of hours. Just like trying to reduce the deficit, putting this type of program in place would take time and probably more people.

The problem is for the most part you do not have many that will use common sense.
When They tossed me for the pistons being down the bore. I was told that I could pickup more piston to valve that way (PS I could spin the cam with the piston at TDC and not hit).
I asked why then could I run any thickness and up to 2 head gaskets. I was told it wasn't the same thing.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by art leong

The fenders were on my Neon they were fiberglass I tried to acid dip them but my acid must not have been strong enough. I'll have to have a talk with my drug dealer.
On our Challenger Greg used to personally test our fenders for chemical cleaning. He would put his or Marty Barret's bellies on them. If they din't bend they were good to go.

LOL....Yeah I remember both of those guys doing that. I thought they were testng the front springs of the cars also. They would each take a fender and talk about a guys carb for what seemed like days....LOL Marty could really push a cars front end down. I bet he didnt lean on very many Z-11 or MoPar Alum. fenders back in the day.