2011 Dodge Challenger V10 Drag Pak

[novassdude]

What is a roll controll in a transmision if it is not a trans brake? What is next the delay box that is part of the factory computer so it is ok?

[hemicop]

Let's just call ALL these factory drag cars what they are ------F/X!
The factories tried this stuff in the 60s which became S/S then F/X. at least back then they had the stones to admit it!

[Richard Grant]

My favorite quote"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely!" It appears that the factories have absolute power. The door has been opened to allow the most outlandish devices to compete in stock. What next Matty boxes? Because of a poor choice of allowing Super Stock/fx cars to compete in stock, we are now seeing the demise of Stock as we have known it.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by hemicop

The factories tried this stuff in the 60s which became S/S then F/X. at least back then they had the stones to admit it!

Actually, I think it was the sanctioning bodies that came up with the FX classes back then.

[John Dinkel]

Hey Jeff, Is that V-10 really rated at 385 HP?

[Jim B]

Everybody also has got to realize that besides the painfully obvious gross HP under ratings and advanced factory engineered and built driveline and chassis advancements of these particular vehicles, that's only the tip of the iceberg. With the level of onboard computer controlled function capability possibilities there's absolutely no way the sanctioning body can enforce the Stock/Super Stock rules to level the playing field with older non computer controlled vehicles. With present and potential onboard computer capabilities the sky is the limit as far as transmission, driveline, engine, fuel, et al electronically controlled variables. I really don't understand why NHRA didn't place these vehicles in a separate or FX type class and let time and factor changes sort out the eventual capabilities. Any attempt at present refactoring using current procedures is painfully slow, chasing a moving target and grossly unfair to the present body of older vehicles running in the same class. I really don't think any racer would object to these type of vehicles running in the S/SS eliminations, it's the class eliminations that's ridiculous. This coming era of computer controlled vehicles vs carburetored cars is going to be similar to the flathead/ohv (jeez am I old??) transition. Can't be done by present factoring methods. Just my 2¢ but I really sympathize with the hard working S/SS competitors who see their years of effort and work be negated by the influx of these type of vehicles.

[JP]

Modern transmissions have Roll Controll integrated, so that shouldn't be a suprise. But I must say that after five years of development of our SS/D V10 I am sceptical to this new package.... The small HEMI is a WAY better engine!

Originally Posted by novassdude

What is a roll controll in a transmision if it is not a trans brake? What is next the delay box that is part of the factory computer so it is ok?

[340Cuda]

While I look forward to seeing these cars on the track, I don’t see anything wrong with the former policy of build 500 for stock, 50 for Super Stock and a few for FX.

In their day the 68 A body race cars had a lot of items that were pretty far afield from the production cars.

While I would like to see a lot of the cars in Super Stock run in a Modified Eliminator that is not going to happen, the 2011 Drag Paks are pretty tame compared to the little Pro Stockers that run in the eliminator today.

A little off this topic but like I have said before, we don’t need any more classes but I think the blown cars should be in separate classes.

Bill Lamb

[novassdude]

Originally Posted by JP

Modern transmissions have Roll Controll integrated, so that shouldn't be a suprise. But I must say that after five years of development of our SS/D V10 I am sceptical to this new package.... The small HEMI is a WAY better engine!

So please explain to me how roll control works in a modern transmision. I have never noticed car companys touting this new advancment. But I must admit I have not really looked either. Do they hold the car still at iddle but let it move just above that or will it act as a trans brake.

[JP]

The customer do notice it when the function atomatically engage when standing still with the car in D in a steep hill...the car doesn't roll backwards even if you step of the trottle and don't use the brakes. I will remain in the same position until you floor it. In my mind the same function as a transbrake...

Originally Posted by novassdude

So please explain to me how roll control works in a modern transmision. I have never noticed car companys touting this new advancment. But I must admit I have not really looked either. Do they hold the car still at iddle but let it move just above that or will it act as a trans brake.