Good Combos

CaptCobrajet · 09-12-2010, 12:37 PM

I assume he means 352 FE Ford. It is a really attractive combo. I did one last year that turned out really good. It can be done for less money than a 350 Chevy and is just perfect for a Fox-body Mustang in the GT classes. If a guy wants to run Super Stock, a Fox-body with a 352 is the LEAST expensive way to go really fast, and it is a Ford, not a small block Chevy. I borrowed some technology from my Cobra Jet program, made some changes, and it came out really good. BTW, this is the OLD 352 from 1964, not the new one.

Jeff Lee · 09-12-2010, 12:45 PM

I was looking at an FE 352 for a potential stocker several years ago. I thought it looked pretty decent at the time and sure wouldn't hesitate to build one for SS as you suggested. The Mustang would be more modern & aesthetically pleasing but a Fairmont might be a good body also.
Does it get any of the after market heads?
So how far under did you get the Mustang?

CaptCobrajet · 09-12-2010, 01:20 PM

Jeff, it gets the Edelbrock head with the OEM valve size. It is the same as a 390, but a bigger chamber volume. I had about 30 cc's to spare when I got done with the intake port, and about 20 left on the exhaust, LOL. It did not go in a Fox body. The guys who have it are going to put it in a '69 Mustang ex-Stocker. They have some work to do, but it went 124 mph in the heat at Bowling Green, and there is a ton of work to do to the car. I'd like to see one in a GT car at 26-2700 lbs. It would be a 9-second car. One the Stocker idea, that will work too. It only has .408 at the valve, but the iron head can get really good up to that point. I've been playing with that for about 10 years off and on. I bought Kip Martin's old Galaxie to do something like that a long time ago. I have done the R&D on the engine, but the car is still sitting.............too many irons in the fire............maybe someone who is interested will build one and buy an engine. I seem to run out of time to put the car together.

stage1scott · 09-12-2010, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptCobrajet

I assume he means 352 FE Ford. It is a really attractive combo. I did one last year that turned out really good. It can be done for less money than a 350 Chevy and is just perfect for a Fox-body Mustang in the GT classes. If a guy wants to run Super Stock, a Fox-body with a 352 is the LEAST expensive way to go really fast, and it is a Ford, not a small block Chevy. I borrowed some technology from my Cobra Jet program, made some changes, and it came out really good. BTW, this is the OLD 352 from 1964, not the new one.

ok so-forgive my ongoing ignorance as I have never taken the time to fully understand the entire GT-MX-SS-(B,C etc) S division of classes.
however-my 67 Fairlane could be set up with said 352, and would only have to make minimum weight of 2670 with this combo (doubt it could get that light, just sayin) to fit in GT/GA . CUrrently a 977 record set at Atco, in a cobalt/cavalier, I think. index of 10.90. said mustang in example would weigh the same (except I have a caged fairlane). Capt CJ, how much power does said 352 have to make to run 9.60s at 2670 lbs in a mustang or whatever?

X-TECH MAN · 09-13-2010, 07:02 AM

Any new Blown Mustang or unblown combo and dont forget the Dodge DP's.

Owen S Quirion · 09-13-2010, 08:02 AM

I like the PT Cruiser where you can run a 230HP combo and claim 180. Can't go wrong there. At 28% underfactored, that means it will take 9 hits of 3.25 % to get it to the advertised HP, another 9 to get it to the right number. Could take years to reel this one in.

Billy Nees · 09-13-2010, 08:04 AM

I think I'll stick to my orphans and dime rockets.

CaptCobrajet · 09-13-2010, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by stage1scott

ok so-forgive my ongoing ignorance as I have never taken the time to fully understand the entire GT-MX-SS-(B,C etc) S division of classes.
however-my 67 Fairlane could be set up with said 352, and would only have to make minimum weight of 2670 with this combo (doubt it could get that light, just sayin) to fit in GT/GA . CUrrently a 977 record set at Atco, in a cobalt/cavalier, I think. index of 10.90. said mustang in example would weigh the same (except I have a caged fairlane). Capt CJ, how much power does said 352 have to make to run 9.60s at 2670 lbs in a mustang or whatever?

Scott, you would have to use the shipping weight of your Fairlane and divide by 244 to find the "natural" class for GT. Then whatever class it falls in, go to the bottom. In a '67 Fairlane HT, 3317 divided by 244 gets you to 13.59, so you go to 13.5 x 249(al head) to get 3361 plus 170 for driver. You would weigh 3530 in GT/LA, or you could move up a class and weigh 3407 in GT/KA. The weight is based on the shipping weight of the body you use. That's why I said the Fox-body was good because it can get really light. Your deal really doesn't look too bad for GT. The engine makes a fair amount more power than a 390 Stocker engine. The weights and indexes are close for F/SA with a 390 and GT/MA with a 352. You could always remove up to 250 lbs from shipping weight and go the other way.............................
A Fox Mustang can weigh 2780 in GT/FA. It does make enough power to run numbers like you suggest, but not in a Fairlane.

Jim Caughlin · 09-13-2010, 12:31 PM

John,

Have you ever seen an FE motor in fox chassis, not a pretty sight. I'm a header builder and I would not envy the poor guy who would have to attempt that project. Fairlanes look cooler anyway....

Jim Caughlin

mtkawboy · 09-13-2010, 12:55 PM

They dont exactly slip on a Fairlane FE in 10 minutes either

09-12-2010, 12:37 PM	#1
CaptCobrajet Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Marion County Posts: 44 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Good Combos I assume he means 352 FE Ford. It is a really attractive combo. I did one last year that turned out really good. It can be done for less money than a 350 Chevy and is just perfect for a Fox-body Mustang in the GT classes. If a guy wants to run Super Stock, a Fox-body with a 352 is the LEAST expensive way to go really fast, and it is a Ford, not a small block Chevy. I borrowed some technology from my Cobra Jet program, made some changes, and it came out really good. BTW, this is the OLD 352 from 1964, not the new one.

09-12-2010, 12:45 PM	#2
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Good Combos I was looking at an FE 352 for a potential stocker several years ago. I thought it looked pretty decent at the time and sure wouldn't hesitate to build one for SS as you suggested. The Mustang would be more modern & aesthetically pleasing but a Fairmont might be a good body also. Does it get any of the after market heads? So how far under did you get the Mustang? __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

09-12-2010, 01:20 PM	#3
CaptCobrajet Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Marion County Posts: 44 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Good Combos Jeff, it gets the Edelbrock head with the OEM valve size. It is the same as a 390, but a bigger chamber volume. I had about 30 cc's to spare when I got done with the intake port, and about 20 left on the exhaust, LOL. It did not go in a Fox body. The guys who have it are going to put it in a '69 Mustang ex-Stocker. They have some work to do, but it went 124 mph in the heat at Bowling Green, and there is a ton of work to do to the car. I'd like to see one in a GT car at 26-2700 lbs. It would be a 9-second car. One the Stocker idea, that will work too. It only has .408 at the valve, but the iron head can get really good up to that point. I've been playing with that for about 10 years off and on. I bought Kip Martin's old Galaxie to do something like that a long time ago. I have done the R&D on the engine, but the car is still sitting.............too many irons in the fire............maybe someone who is interested will build one and buy an engine. I seem to run out of time to put the car together.

09-13-2010, 07:02 AM	#5
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Good Combos Any new Blown Mustang or unblown combo and dont forget the Dodge DP's.

09-13-2010, 08:02 AM	#6
Owen S Quirion Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Captiol District of New York Posts: 71 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Good Combos I like the PT Cruiser where you can run a 230HP combo and claim 180. Can't go wrong there. At 28% underfactored, that means it will take 9 hits of 3.25 % to get it to the advertised HP, another 9 to get it to the right number. Could take years to reel this one in. __________________ BF/S 1985 Grand Am 3.0 V6

09-13-2010, 08:04 AM	#7
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,493 Likes: 3,595 Liked 7,716 Times in 1,738 Posts	Re: Good Combos I think I'll stick to my orphans and dime rockets. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

09-13-2010, 12:31 PM	#9
Jim Caughlin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Woodburn, Or Posts: 685 Likes: 82 Liked 805 Times in 245 Posts	Re: Good Combos John, Have you ever seen an FE motor in fox chassis, not a pretty sight. I'm a header builder and I would not envy the poor guy who would have to attempt that project. Fairlanes look cooler anyway.... Jim Caughlin

09-13-2010, 12:55 PM	#10
mtkawboy Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Billings Mt Posts: 282 Likes: 183 Liked 54 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Good Combos They dont exactly slip on a Fairlane FE in 10 minutes either