Lack of integrity

[Dave Aceves Jr]

Originally Posted by Ken Etter

After seeing the potential of the challengers in G/SA I drove my G/SA into a wall!! J/K couldnt resist.

ROFLMAO.....Glad to see your sense of humor is still intact Ken. Hope your feeling better and we will see you soon.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Jim Cimarolli

Dave,

I can't hardly believe it either.
Back in the 90's I would never have agreed with it, but I don't see a better way at this point.
The AHFS doesn't work, they piled up a bunch of hp. on the older combos, and now we have newer cars that are .5 seconds quicker than really serious older cars that are still out there. Look how many people have quit already.

In one case the new car was .6 quicker that a first class old car combo. . Can you cut a better light and beat that?

[RJ Sledge]

ken

I don't guess we have ever met, but its nice to see you are feeling better!
Hope all turns out well.

Jim

I have to admit that I kind of agree with you, if NHRA is not going to do the right thing about putting the correct HP on these cars(I ain't talking about 4 hp at a time), we might as well just use shoe polish when we get a heads up run. It is really a sorry state of affairs when something that is so obvious is completely ignored by the people who are suppose to be in charge. Greg you were a little off about Lack of integrity.......Complete Loss of integrity would have been better!

I really used to get pumped up about going to a National event that was running Class. Now, if you have an older Stocker, it really is like taking a knife to a gun fight. Its like stealing, plain and simple. I really don't blame the people who have the new cars, hell I would love one, but I don't have 100K to "invest" right now(or ever will). I have raced NHRA for longer than I care to remember. Always enjoyed myself, met a lot of people who became close friends and really had a great time.

Now Its beginning to smell.........

I for one have cut back on my participation at NHRA National events and I don't seem to be alone.

RJ

[mannymen]

This also applies to ss/aa & ba. The mustangs are only going get faster quickly and Armstrow has busted his azz to get where he is at. It is a shame. I'm glad I'm not spending anymore money on class racing. Back to no box where it is much cheaper.

[Mickey Whaley]

Originally Posted by Pat6868

While its easy to see these new cars have an advantage on factoring ,h. p. etc , maybe drag racing needs a breath of fresh air. I'd be more than willing to bet a traditional stocker with a top notch driver is gonna win the big prize. I think a lot of these new combo's will be on the trailers early.. Just my .02. Pat.

That top notch driver better not have a heads up with one of those cars that has him covered by 5 tenths, as far as a breath of fresh air I smell ****

[Pat6868]

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley

That top notch driver better not have a heads up with one of those cars that has him covered by 5 tenths, as far as a breath of fresh air I smell ****

Top notch driver, proven car , No B.S. Well Done!!

[Charley Downing]

Do you guys stop your crying to eat or cry through your meals?

[danny waters sr]

NHRA aint going no where and IHRA aint going no where. The choice is yours. You are never going to be happy either way. I aint happy with some situations myself. I'm just glad we have places to race. If you want changes (or complain )you have to get together and present them to the right people,sometimes that works and sometimes it don't. Car count down at both HRA's . Is this because you are not happy with the HRA's or you just can't afford race like you used to? That would be a good poll to take . I am not financially available to race as much as i would like to.I have to pick and choose when and where i race because of this. Still not happy with some things at both sanctions ,but love to race . Send letters and e-mails, even send group letters signed by all who will sign. I have worked for IHRA 15 years and listen to racers as a racer and understand what you are talking about (most of the time). I am just an indian with a lot of chiefs. I have seen both sides of the fence and there are bulls on both sides .lol

[Chuck Beach]

There is no such thing as a level playing field in this sport. Never has been. First example would be the SS/AHemi's at Indy this year, they all are pretty much the same, right, wrong ... Westscott Jr. had the field coverd by a ten and 1/2 until he broke. Now must good drivers feel they can make up a tenth on the tree but a ten and 1/2 is a stretch especially because Jr. is a good driver. Second example would be the fact that 3 DP's did not make the cut at Indy. Seems to me that there are people on this forum that think these cars are so underrated all you have to do is show up and your 1.10 under. Lets face it, if you lose you lose, whether it be by a tenth and 1/2, 2 tenths or six tenths, the time slip says the same thing. Same thing with a red light, if you are -.001 red it might as well be - .500 red, you still lose. Here is another example I will use because I know this combo, these cars all use the same engine combination ... James Findell qualifies #28 with his 340 at -.956 under, Bob Ackers is #134 at -.733 under, Dale Findell is #142 at - .716 under, Paula Cotten is number #150 at - .702 under. Now all of these cars can fit the same class even though they were in different classes at Indy. James has them covered by over 2 tenths. Doesn't seem level to me. Does this mean that the slower cars had problems, didn't work hard enough on their combos, didn't spend enough money, James has an unfair advantage, is he underfactored, no wait, they all run the same combo. I am sure there are other examples.

Just sayin' .... stock and super stock is not a socialist class, it is a performance class ... period. Some have it, some don't ...

The 350 went from 275 NHRA hp in 1993 to 346 hp in April 2010. hmmmm 17 yrs.
The 350 went from 285 NHRA hp in 1997 to 346 hp in January 2010. hummm 13 yrs.
The 346 went from 305 NHRA hp in 2001 to 373 hp in January 2010. hummm 9 yrs.

The 6.1 hemi went from 385 NHRA hp in 2009 to 399 hp in July of 2010. These cars have only been raced over the last 2 years.

The 5.7 hemi went from 305 NHRA hp in 2009 to 326 hp in September of 2010. This combo has only been raced for less than a year.

The 360 went from 275 NHRA hp in 2009 to 284 hp in September of 2010. This combo has only been raced this year.

Looks like the new combo still has a few years to go to be equal with their counter part as far as getting to their 'real hp' ...

Just sayin ...

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by Chuck Beach

Just sayin' .... stock and super stock is not a socialist class, it is a performance class ... period. Some have it, some don't ...

The 350 went from 275 NHRA hp in 1993 to 346 hp in April 2010. hmmmm 17 yrs.
The 350 went from 285 NHRA hp in 1997 to 346 hp in January 2010. hummm 13 yrs.
The 346 went from 305 NHRA hp in 2001 to 373 hp in January 2010. hummm 9 yrs.

The 6.1 hemi went from 385 NHRA hp in 2009 to 399 hp in July of 2010. These cars have only been raced over the last 2 years.

The 5.7 hemi went from 305 NHRA hp in 2009 to 326 hp in September of 2010. This combo has only been raced for less than a year.

The 360 went from 275 NHRA hp in 2009 to 284 hp in September of 2010. This combo has only been raced this year.

Looks like the new combo still has a few years to go to be equal with their counter part as far as getting to their 'real hp' ...

Just sayin ...

And the Cobra Jet is closing in on 3 years. Someone had pointed out that the LT1 were mixed in with the traditional classes for the first 3 years. Also note that this was a fairly new situation for the NHRA having such a disparity on the advertised horsepower and what the cars were capable of with the normal racer modifications (headers, cams, etc...).

A brand new category was created to deal with this problem, the Fuel Injected classes. Your post that suggests they took from 1993 to April of 2010 to get it right is misleading. They were in their own classes for the vast majority of the time until it got sorted out. Just like what we are asking for with the Cobra Jets and Drag Paks.

Just sayin'.