Lack of integrity - Page 2

Dave Casey · 09-02-2010, 08:47 PM

Jim,
I can't believe you said that

Pat6868 · 09-02-2010, 08:54 PM

I got water coming out of my keyboard, Damn I hate when that happens. Pat

RULER · 09-02-2010, 09:08 PM

Jim please don't say that a second time, they just might do that then our devalued old cars would turn in to PRO bracket cars, with little value. They either need there own classes or the all need to have real HP factors whitch wouldn't be that hard to do!!!!!!!!

Jim Cimarolli · 09-02-2010, 09:16 PM

Dave,

I can't hardly believe it either.
Back in the 90's I would never have agreed with it, but I don't see a better way at this point.
The AHFS doesn't work, they piled up a bunch of hp. on the older combos, and now we have newer cars that are .5 seconds quicker than really serious older cars that are still out there. Look how many people have quit already.

Ken Etter · 09-02-2010, 09:24 PM

After seeing the potential of the challengers in G/SA I drove my G/SA into a wall!! J/K couldnt resist.

X-TECH MAN · 09-02-2010, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Cimarolli

Dave,

I can't hardly believe it either.
Back in the 90's I would never have agreed with it, but I don't see a better way at this point.
The AHFS doesn't work, they piled up a bunch of hp. on the older combos, and now we have newer cars that are .5 seconds quicker than really serious older cars that are still out there. Look how many people have quit already.

In one case the new car was .6 quicker that a first class old car combo. . Can you cut a better light and beat that?

X-TECH MAN · 09-02-2010, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Etter

After seeing the potential of the challengers in G/SA I drove my G/SA into a wall!! J/K couldnt resist.

LOL.....Im glad you still have a sense of humor after that awful crash. Its good that you can laugh about it. That means you are getting better. Hang in there. You had a lot of people worried...even those who have never met you.

danny waters sr · 09-02-2010, 09:38 PM

You may as well live with it cause it ain't gonna change.Simple fix would have new class and weight break for all the new cars and let them beat themselves to death til the real hp factor appears,at least the old original combos would still be able to live. Can you imagine a museum with all the old iron just sitting and being forgotton. All we will have left is memories and old videos.Changes i just ain't ready for,but they are coming. Sad , so Sad,.....

B Parker · 09-02-2010, 09:43 PM

JIm I'm sorry to see that you are at that point. I never cared for the AHFS but we are stuck with it. One change to it would really help with the HP problems. Don't stop at 3.25 % for any runs greater than 1.25. At 1.35 under have it go to 4.25% and any runs greater than 1.45 gets 5.25%. Any runs greater than 1.55 gets 6.25 and so on. And any one that runs more than 1.75 under should have to buy dinner for every racer at the track. Because we know they must have more money than brains. Just my thoughts Barry

Mike Fuller · 09-02-2010, 09:55 PM

NHRA does not allow any one car or class to become dominate in comp eliminator. The adjustments come very quickly.Even during a race the CIC system goes into action. Can't there be a system like this for stock?

In stock it took quite a while to get the FI cars corrected,and this only came about when they were in thier own class. Is there not a way to get these cars factored correctly in a reasonable period of time? The AFHS is not set up to deal properly with this situation. So what needs to be done to fix it? Lets get the ball rolling.

09-02-2010, 08:47 PM	#11
Dave Casey VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hampden, MA Posts: 1,201 Likes: 233 Liked 774 Times in 164 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity Jim, I can't believe you said that __________________ Dave Casey 1330 STK

09-02-2010, 08:54 PM	#12
Pat6868 Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 102 Likes: 6 Liked 88 Times in 28 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity I got water coming out of my keyboard, Damn I hate when that happens. Pat

09-02-2010, 09:08 PM	#13
RULER Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 221 Likes: 15 Liked 58 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity Jim please don't say that a second time, they just might do that then our devalued old cars would turn in to PRO bracket cars, with little value. They either need there own classes or the all need to have real HP factors whitch wouldn't be that hard to do!!!!!!!!

09-02-2010, 09:16 PM	#14
Jim Cimarolli Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sulphur Springs Texas Posts: 743 Likes: 146 Liked 166 Times in 46 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity Dave, I can't hardly believe it either. Back in the 90's I would never have agreed with it, but I don't see a better way at this point. The AHFS doesn't work, they piled up a bunch of hp. on the older combos, and now we have newer cars that are .5 seconds quicker than really serious older cars that are still out there. Look how many people have quit already.

09-02-2010, 09:24 PM	#15
Ken Etter Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Riverside,Ca Posts: 112 Likes: 0 Liked 87 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity After seeing the potential of the challengers in G/SA I drove my G/SA into a wall!! J/K couldnt resist. __________________ Ken Etter 7375 STK/5 SS

09-02-2010, 09:38 PM	#18
danny waters sr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: lagrange,nc Posts: 2,224 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity You may as well live with it cause it ain't gonna change.Simple fix would have new class and weight break for all the new cars and let them beat themselves to death til the real hp factor appears,at least the old original combos would still be able to live. Can you imagine a museum with all the old iron just sitting and being forgotton. All we will have left is memories and old videos.Changes i just ain't ready for,but they are coming. Sad , so Sad,..... __________________ Danny Waters, Sr / 73 Duster "340"

09-02-2010, 09:43 PM	#19
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 849 Likes: 980 Liked 2,336 Times in 464 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity JIm I'm sorry to see that you are at that point. I never cared for the AHFS but we are stuck with it. One change to it would really help with the HP problems. Don't stop at 3.25 % for any runs greater than 1.25. At 1.35 under have it go to 4.25% and any runs greater than 1.45 gets 5.25%. Any runs greater than 1.55 gets 6.25 and so on. And any one that runs more than 1.75 under should have to buy dinner for every racer at the track. Because we know they must have more money than brains. Just my thoughts Barry

09-02-2010, 09:55 PM	#20
Mike Fuller Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 949 Likes: 553 Liked 196 Times in 77 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity NHRA does not allow any one car or class to become dominate in comp eliminator. The adjustments come very quickly.Even during a race the CIC system goes into action. Can't there be a system like this for stock? In stock it took quite a while to get the FI cars corrected,and this only came about when they were in thier own class. Is there not a way to get these cars factored correctly in a reasonable period of time? The AFHS is not set up to deal properly with this situation. So what needs to be done to fix it? Lets get the ball rolling. __________________ Mike Fuller 396 STK