Lack of integrity

Jim Cimarolli · 09-02-2010, 09:16 PM

Dave,

I can't hardly believe it either.
Back in the 90's I would never have agreed with it, but I don't see a better way at this point.
The AHFS doesn't work, they piled up a bunch of hp. on the older combos, and now we have newer cars that are .5 seconds quicker than really serious older cars that are still out there. Look how many people have quit already.

Ken Etter · 09-02-2010, 09:24 PM

After seeing the potential of the challengers in G/SA I drove my G/SA into a wall!! J/K couldnt resist.

X-TECH MAN · 09-02-2010, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken Etter

After seeing the potential of the challengers in G/SA I drove my G/SA into a wall!! J/K couldnt resist.

LOL.....Im glad you still have a sense of humor after that awful crash. Its good that you can laugh about it. That means you are getting better. Hang in there. You had a lot of people worried...even those who have never met you.

danny waters sr · 09-02-2010, 09:38 PM

You may as well live with it cause it ain't gonna change.Simple fix would have new class and weight break for all the new cars and let them beat themselves to death til the real hp factor appears,at least the old original combos would still be able to live. Can you imagine a museum with all the old iron just sitting and being forgotton. All we will have left is memories and old videos.Changes i just ain't ready for,but they are coming. Sad , so Sad,.....

Mike Fuller · 09-02-2010, 09:55 PM

NHRA does not allow any one car or class to become dominate in comp eliminator. The adjustments come very quickly.Even during a race the CIC system goes into action. Can't there be a system like this for stock?

In stock it took quite a while to get the FI cars corrected,and this only came about when they were in thier own class. Is there not a way to get these cars factored correctly in a reasonable period of time? The AFHS is not set up to deal properly with this situation. So what needs to be done to fix it? Lets get the ball rolling.

B Parker · 09-02-2010, 09:43 PM

JIm I'm sorry to see that you are at that point. I never cared for the AHFS but we are stuck with it. One change to it would really help with the HP problems. Don't stop at 3.25 % for any runs greater than 1.25. At 1.35 under have it go to 4.25% and any runs greater than 1.45 gets 5.25%. Any runs greater than 1.55 gets 6.25 and so on. And any one that runs more than 1.75 under should have to buy dinner for every racer at the track. Because we know they must have more money than brains. Just my thoughts Barry

Jeff Lee · 09-03-2010, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by B Parker

JIm I'm sorry to see that you are at that point. I never cared for the AHFS but we are stuck with it. One change to it would really help with the HP problems. Don't stop at 3.25 % for any runs greater than 1.25. At 1.35 under have it go to 4.25% and any runs greater than 1.45 gets 5.25%. Any runs greater than 1.55 gets 6.25 and so on. And any one that runs more than 1.75 under should have to buy dinner for every racer at the track. Because we know they must have more money than brains. Just my thoughts Barry

Good idea. To those that are "throwing the towel in" and stating heads-up runs should be eliminated; perhaps you are falling right into the trap that has been set!
Some of you must think there are enough DP & CJ's to make heads-up runs at every Divisional and National event on the circuit. Heck, some of you , make that a lot of you, run and hide on the potential of a heads-up run with two '68 Camaro's. You cower at that so yea, obviously a DP/CJ will scare you right out of racing.
I know just like everybody else that these cars are under factored. But they are here to stay and eventually the ego's will have them factored into normality. Look at Indy...I applaud their ego's! It will catch up to them as it always has.

countrypuppy4865 · 09-03-2010, 12:51 AM

RJ,

Maybe more like taking a stick to a gun fight or a butter knife.

RULER · 09-03-2010, 01:35 AM

Jeff the problem that has been pointed out, is that it will take 10 to 20 years to correct them i don't know how long some are willing to wait but it will not fix itself in the next 5 years for sure.

Chad Rhodes · 09-03-2010, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by countrypuppy4865

RJ,

Maybe more like taking a stick to a gun fight or a butter knife.

Cooter, I was thinking it was one of those Spork things you get from Chic-Fil-A or something

09-02-2010, 09:16 PM	#1
Jim Cimarolli Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sulphur Springs Texas Posts: 743 Likes: 146 Liked 166 Times in 46 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity Dave, I can't hardly believe it either. Back in the 90's I would never have agreed with it, but I don't see a better way at this point. The AHFS doesn't work, they piled up a bunch of hp. on the older combos, and now we have newer cars that are .5 seconds quicker than really serious older cars that are still out there. Look how many people have quit already.

09-02-2010, 09:24 PM	#2
Ken Etter Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Riverside,Ca Posts: 112 Likes: 0 Liked 87 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity After seeing the potential of the challengers in G/SA I drove my G/SA into a wall!! J/K couldnt resist. __________________ Ken Etter 7375 STK/5 SS

09-02-2010, 09:38 PM	#4
danny waters sr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: lagrange,nc Posts: 2,224 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity You may as well live with it cause it ain't gonna change.Simple fix would have new class and weight break for all the new cars and let them beat themselves to death til the real hp factor appears,at least the old original combos would still be able to live. Can you imagine a museum with all the old iron just sitting and being forgotton. All we will have left is memories and old videos.Changes i just ain't ready for,but they are coming. Sad , so Sad,..... __________________ Danny Waters, Sr / 73 Duster "340"

09-02-2010, 09:55 PM	#5
Mike Fuller Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 951 Likes: 560 Liked 198 Times in 79 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity NHRA does not allow any one car or class to become dominate in comp eliminator. The adjustments come very quickly.Even during a race the CIC system goes into action. Can't there be a system like this for stock? In stock it took quite a while to get the FI cars corrected,and this only came about when they were in thier own class. Is there not a way to get these cars factored correctly in a reasonable period of time? The AFHS is not set up to deal properly with this situation. So what needs to be done to fix it? Lets get the ball rolling. __________________ Mike Fuller 396 STK 3961 SS

09-02-2010, 09:43 PM	#6
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 849 Likes: 980 Liked 2,336 Times in 464 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity JIm I'm sorry to see that you are at that point. I never cared for the AHFS but we are stuck with it. One change to it would really help with the HP problems. Don't stop at 3.25 % for any runs greater than 1.25. At 1.35 under have it go to 4.25% and any runs greater than 1.45 gets 5.25%. Any runs greater than 1.55 gets 6.25 and so on. And any one that runs more than 1.75 under should have to buy dinner for every racer at the track. Because we know they must have more money than brains. Just my thoughts Barry

09-03-2010, 12:51 AM	#8
countrypuppy4865 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Donaldsonville, LA Posts: 980 Likes: 17 Liked 228 Times in 70 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity RJ, Maybe more like taking a stick to a gun fight or a butter knife. __________________ Jimmy "Cooter" Hidalgo, Jr. 4865 E/SA '04 GTO 4865 SS/GA '99 Firebird

09-03-2010, 01:35 AM	#9
RULER Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 221 Likes: 15 Liked 58 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity Jeff the problem that has been pointed out, is that it will take 10 to 20 years to correct them i don't know how long some are willing to wait but it will not fix itself in the next 5 years for sure.