Lack of integrity

Mickey Whaley · 09-02-2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pat6868

While its easy to see these new cars have an advantage on factoring ,h. p. etc , maybe drag racing needs a breath of fresh air. I'd be more than willing to bet a traditional stocker with a top notch driver is gonna win the big prize. I think a lot of these new combo's will be on the trailers early.. Just my .02. Pat.

That top notch driver better not have a heads up with one of those cars that has him covered by 5 tenths, as far as a breath of fresh air I smell ****

Pat6868 · 09-15-2010, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley

That top notch driver better not have a heads up with one of those cars that has him covered by 5 tenths, as far as a breath of fresh air I smell ****

Top notch driver, proven car , No B.S. Well Done!!

Charley Downing · 09-16-2010, 06:25 AM

Do you guys stop your crying to eat or cry through your meals?

danny waters sr · 09-16-2010, 08:03 AM

NHRA aint going no where and IHRA aint going no where. The choice is yours. You are never going to be happy either way. I aint happy with some situations myself. I'm just glad we have places to race. If you want changes (or complain )you have to get together and present them to the right people,sometimes that works and sometimes it don't. Car count down at both HRA's . Is this because you are not happy with the HRA's or you just can't afford race like you used to? That would be a good poll to take . I am not financially available to race as much as i would like to.I have to pick and choose when and where i race because of this. Still not happy with some things at both sanctions ,but love to race . Send letters and e-mails, even send group letters signed by all who will sign. I have worked for IHRA 15 years and listen to racers as a racer and understand what you are talking about (most of the time). I am just an indian with a lot of chiefs. I have seen both sides of the fence and there are bulls on both sides .lol

Chuck Beach · 09-16-2010, 09:41 AM

There is no such thing as a level playing field in this sport. Never has been. First example would be the SS/AHemi's at Indy this year, they all are pretty much the same, right, wrong ... Westscott Jr. had the field coverd by a ten and 1/2 until he broke. Now must good drivers feel they can make up a tenth on the tree but a ten and 1/2 is a stretch especially because Jr. is a good driver. Second example would be the fact that 3 DP's did not make the cut at Indy. Seems to me that there are people on this forum that think these cars are so underrated all you have to do is show up and your 1.10 under. Lets face it, if you lose you lose, whether it be by a tenth and 1/2, 2 tenths or six tenths, the time slip says the same thing. Same thing with a red light, if you are -.001 red it might as well be - .500 red, you still lose. Here is another example I will use because I know this combo, these cars all use the same engine combination ... James Findell qualifies #28 with his 340 at -.956 under, Bob Ackers is #134 at -.733 under, Dale Findell is #142 at - .716 under, Paula Cotten is number #150 at - .702 under. Now all of these cars can fit the same class even though they were in different classes at Indy. James has them covered by over 2 tenths. Doesn't seem level to me. Does this mean that the slower cars had problems, didn't work hard enough on their combos, didn't spend enough money, James has an unfair advantage, is he underfactored, no wait, they all run the same combo. I am sure there are other examples.

Just sayin' .... stock and super stock is not a socialist class, it is a performance class ... period. Some have it, some don't ...

The 350 went from 275 NHRA hp in 1993 to 346 hp in April 2010. hmmmm 17 yrs.
The 350 went from 285 NHRA hp in 1997 to 346 hp in January 2010. hummm 13 yrs.
The 346 went from 305 NHRA hp in 2001 to 373 hp in January 2010. hummm 9 yrs.

The 6.1 hemi went from 385 NHRA hp in 2009 to 399 hp in July of 2010. These cars have only been raced over the last 2 years.

The 5.7 hemi went from 305 NHRA hp in 2009 to 326 hp in September of 2010. This combo has only been raced for less than a year.

The 360 went from 275 NHRA hp in 2009 to 284 hp in September of 2010. This combo has only been raced this year.

Looks like the new combo still has a few years to go to be equal with their counter part as far as getting to their 'real hp' ...

Just sayin ...

Dgal · 09-16-2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck Beach

Just sayin' .... stock and super stock is not a socialist class, it is a performance class ... period. Some have it, some don't ...

The 350 went from 275 NHRA hp in 1993 to 346 hp in April 2010. hmmmm 17 yrs.
The 350 went from 285 NHRA hp in 1997 to 346 hp in January 2010. hummm 13 yrs.
The 346 went from 305 NHRA hp in 2001 to 373 hp in January 2010. hummm 9 yrs.

The 6.1 hemi went from 385 NHRA hp in 2009 to 399 hp in July of 2010. These cars have only been raced over the last 2 years.

The 5.7 hemi went from 305 NHRA hp in 2009 to 326 hp in September of 2010. This combo has only been raced for less than a year.

The 360 went from 275 NHRA hp in 2009 to 284 hp in September of 2010. This combo has only been raced this year.

Looks like the new combo still has a few years to go to be equal with their counter part as far as getting to their 'real hp' ...

Just sayin ...

And the Cobra Jet is closing in on 3 years. Someone had pointed out that the LT1 were mixed in with the traditional classes for the first 3 years. Also note that this was a fairly new situation for the NHRA having such a disparity on the advertised horsepower and what the cars were capable of with the normal racer modifications (headers, cams, etc...).

A brand new category was created to deal with this problem, the Fuel Injected classes. Your post that suggests they took from 1993 to April of 2010 to get it right is misleading. They were in their own classes for the vast majority of the time until it got sorted out. Just like what we are asking for with the Cobra Jets and Drag Paks.

Just sayin'.

art leong · 09-16-2010, 10:13 AM

I have to laugh at this post.
Does anyone remember the 455 Pontiacs that were rated at 270 hp (I think). The 455 SD in a Firebird ran F/SA
And back then it was go fast racing no breakout.

Chuck Beach · 09-16-2010, 10:16 AM

So James Findell should be in his own class for a couple years till everyone catches up with him? Likewise with Westcott Jr.

Or maybe they should put Jimmy Defrank, Biondo, Fletcher(s), Richardson(s), Leber, etc. in a class by themselves because they can .00 you to death in eliminations or run dead on.

Just sayin ...

Dgal · 09-16-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck Beach

Second example would be the fact that 3 DP's did not make the cut at Indy. ..

They broke.

junior barns · 09-16-2010, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck Beach

There is no such thing as a level playing field in this sport. Never has been. First example would be the SS/AHemi's at Indy this year, they all are pretty much the same, right, wrong ... Westscott Jr. had the field coverd by a ten and 1/2 until he broke. Now must good drivers feel they can make up a tenth on the tree but a ten and 1/2 is a stretch especially because Jr. is a good driver. Second example would be the fact that 3 DP's did not make the cut at Indy. Seems to me that there are people on this forum that think these cars are so underrated all you have to do is show up and your 1.10 under. Lets face it, if you lose you lose, whether it be by a tenth and 1/2, 2 tenths or six tenths, the time slip says the same thing. Same thing with a red light, if you are -.001 red it might as well be - .500 red, you still lose. Here is another example I will use because I know this combo, these cars all use the same engine combination ... James Findell qualifies #28 with his 340 at -.956 under, Bob Ackers is #134 at -.733 under, Dale Findell is #142 at - .716 under, Paula Cotten is number #150 at - .702 under. Now all of these cars can fit the same class even though they were in different classes at Indy. James has them covered by over 2 tenths. Doesn't seem level to me. Does this mean that the slower cars had problems, didn't work hard enough on their combos, didn't spend enough money, James has an unfair advantage, is he underfactored, no wait, they all run the same combo. I am sure there are other examples.

Just sayin' .... stock and super stock is not a socialist class, it is a performance class ... period. Some have it, some don't ...

The 350 went from 275 NHRA hp in 1993 to 346 hp in April 2010. hmmmm 17 yrs.
The 350 went from 285 NHRA hp in 1997 to 346 hp in January 2010. hummm 13 yrs.
The 346 went from 305 NHRA hp in 2001 to 373 hp in January 2010. hummm 9 yrs.

The 6.1 hemi went from 385 NHRA hp in 2009 to 399 hp in July of 2010. These cars have only been raced over the last 2 years.

The 5.7 hemi went from 305 NHRA hp in 2009 to 326 hp in September of 2010. This combo has only been raced for less than a year.

The 360 went from 275 NHRA hp in 2009 to 284 hp in September of 2010. This combo has only been raced this year.

Looks like the new combo still has a few years to go to be equal with their counter part as far as getting to their 'real hp' ...

Just sayin ...

You've got to be kidding me!!

These combos you have refered to have changed a whopping 70hp during this time period to get in line with the old iron!!

Also these cars were moved to there own class for the majority of time that you refered to until the NHRA fixed the HP!!

No impacted on the class for the most part!!

Now, these new cars were all at the very least 100 hp short from where they should have started! From this point the system should start!!

Now they had there fun and it is time to put them in an FX class until the hp catches up to them!!

just sayin

09-16-2010, 06:25 AM	#3
Charley Downing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 761 Likes: 16 Liked 633 Times in 88 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity Do you guys stop your crying to eat or cry through your meals? __________________ Charley Downing 3548 STK

09-16-2010, 08:03 AM	#4
danny waters sr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: lagrange,nc Posts: 2,224 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity NHRA aint going no where and IHRA aint going no where. The choice is yours. You are never going to be happy either way. I aint happy with some situations myself. I'm just glad we have places to race. If you want changes (or complain )you have to get together and present them to the right people,sometimes that works and sometimes it don't. Car count down at both HRA's . Is this because you are not happy with the HRA's or you just can't afford race like you used to? That would be a good poll to take . I am not financially available to race as much as i would like to.I have to pick and choose when and where i race because of this. Still not happy with some things at both sanctions ,but love to race . Send letters and e-mails, even send group letters signed by all who will sign. I have worked for IHRA 15 years and listen to racers as a racer and understand what you are talking about (most of the time). I am just an indian with a lot of chiefs. I have seen both sides of the fence and there are bulls on both sides .lol __________________ Danny Waters, Sr / 73 Duster "340"

09-16-2010, 09:41 AM	#5
Chuck Beach Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Delaware, Ohio Posts: 664 Likes: 12 Liked 58 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity There is no such thing as a level playing field in this sport. Never has been. First example would be the SS/AHemi's at Indy this year, they all are pretty much the same, right, wrong ... Westscott Jr. had the field coverd by a ten and 1/2 until he broke. Now must good drivers feel they can make up a tenth on the tree but a ten and 1/2 is a stretch especially because Jr. is a good driver. Second example would be the fact that 3 DP's did not make the cut at Indy. Seems to me that there are people on this forum that think these cars are so underrated all you have to do is show up and your 1.10 under. Lets face it, if you lose you lose, whether it be by a tenth and 1/2, 2 tenths or six tenths, the time slip says the same thing. Same thing with a red light, if you are -.001 red it might as well be - .500 red, you still lose. Here is another example I will use because I know this combo, these cars all use the same engine combination ... James Findell qualifies #28 with his 340 at -.956 under, Bob Ackers is #134 at -.733 under, Dale Findell is #142 at - .716 under, Paula Cotten is number #150 at - .702 under. Now all of these cars can fit the same class even though they were in different classes at Indy. James has them covered by over 2 tenths. Doesn't seem level to me. Does this mean that the slower cars had problems, didn't work hard enough on their combos, didn't spend enough money, James has an unfair advantage, is he underfactored, no wait, they all run the same combo. I am sure there are other examples. Just sayin' .... stock and super stock is not a socialist class, it is a performance class ... period. Some have it, some don't ... The 350 went from 275 NHRA hp in 1993 to 346 hp in April 2010. hmmmm 17 yrs. The 350 went from 285 NHRA hp in 1997 to 346 hp in January 2010. hummm 13 yrs. The 346 went from 305 NHRA hp in 2001 to 373 hp in January 2010. hummm 9 yrs. The 6.1 hemi went from 385 NHRA hp in 2009 to 399 hp in July of 2010. These cars have only been raced over the last 2 years. The 5.7 hemi went from 305 NHRA hp in 2009 to 326 hp in September of 2010. This combo has only been raced for less than a year. The 360 went from 275 NHRA hp in 2009 to 284 hp in September of 2010. This combo has only been raced this year. Looks like the new combo still has a few years to go to be equal with their counter part as far as getting to their 'real hp' ... Just sayin ... __________________ Chuck Beach 3340 STK

09-16-2010, 10:13 AM	#7
art leong VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Richmond Hill, Georgia Posts: 2,003 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Lack of integrity I have to laugh at this post. Does anyone remember the 455 Pontiacs that were rated at 270 hp (I think). The 455 SD in a Firebird ran F/SA And back then it was go fast racing no breakout. __________________ Art Leong 2095 SS

09-16-2010, 10:16 AM	#8
Chuck Beach Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Delaware, Ohio Posts: 664 Likes: 12 Liked 58 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity So James Findell should be in his own class for a couple years till everyone catches up with him? Likewise with Westcott Jr. Or maybe they should put Jimmy Defrank, Biondo, Fletcher(s), Richardson(s), Leber, etc. in a class by themselves because they can .00 you to death in eliminations or run dead on. Just sayin ... __________________ Chuck Beach 3340 STK Last edited by Chuck Beach; 09-16-2010 at 10:21 AM.