Black Tuesday? - Page 2

Paul Precht · 12-13-2009, 09:00 PM

Yes, thats a very good point but slowing their cars down before the 1/8th mile could be a fatal decision in a heads up run, Paul.

Toby Lang · 12-13-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Cour

Seriously, I don't see too many "class racer's" having a problem with running under the new indexes. IMO

You may be right, but I'm sure there will be some people who will have problems running under the new indexes. Especially at certain tracks like Bristol, but let's not get into that right now. Let's just assume that everybody can run under the new indexes without any problems.

How will lowering the indexes help you win more rounds in eliminations?
How will lowering the indexes help you win more races?
How will lowering the indexes help you win more heads-up races?
How will lowering the indexes help you win more class eliminations?
How will lowering the indexes help you be number one qualifier more often (if that's your gig.)?

-Toby

Sean Cour · 12-13-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby Lang

You may be right, but I'm sure there will be some people who will have problems running under the new indexes. Especially at certain tracks like Bristol, but let's not get into that right now. Let's just assume that everybody can run under the new indexes without any problems.

How will lowering the indexes help you win more rounds in eliminations?
How will lowering the indexes help you win more races?
How will lowering the indexes help you win more heads-up races?
How will lowering the indexes help you win more class eliminations?
How will lowering the indexes help you be number one qualifier more often (if that's your gig.)?

-Toby

It's not about any of your concerns. It's about you taking your stocker and running superstock. It's about the guys running at the bottom with "stock" parts now having to actually purchase performance parts from the dying contingency companies. C'mon Toby, it's not a conspiracy against the "brake pedal bandits," it's simply a business decision.

7423 · 12-13-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Cour

It's not about any of your concerns. It's about you taking your stocker and running superstock. It's about the guys running at the bottom with "stock" parts now having to actual purchase performance parts from the dying contingency companies. C'mon Toby, it's not a conspiracy against the "brake pedal bandits," it's simply a business decision.

I have watched Steve Wann run Super Gas with his Super Stocker. None of the S/G guys cared. If they did not delete classes at nationals, that would not happen........

Sean Cour · 12-13-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 7423

I have watched Steve Wann run Super Gas with his Super Stocker. None of the S/G guys cared. If they did not delete classes at nationals, that would not happen........

Charlie-

Until they stop allowing stockers to enter superstock. Filling the fields before some poor sap with a superstocker could enter, then you're right, no reason, based on your example. I just think that when a "legal" stocker can run eight tenths under in superstock, there's a problem somewhere. Just my opinion.

BTW, nice meeting you in Pomona.

X-TECH MAN · 12-13-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sean cour

it's not about any of your concerns. It's about you taking your stocker and running superstock. It's about the guys running at the bottom with "stock" parts now having to actual purchase performance parts from the dying contingency companies. C'mon toby, it's not a conspiracy against the "brake pedal bandits," it's simply a business decision.

bingo !

Toby Lang · 12-13-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Cour

It's not about any of your concerns. It's about you taking your stocker and running superstock.

Well, it looks like it's about your concerns though. Why not just make a rule that says if you have entered a car in Stock this year you can't enter it in Super Stock later or something similar.

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It's about the guys running at the bottom with "stock" parts now having to actual purchase performance parts from the dying contingency companies.

Aren't the guys at the bottom the ones you want to run heads-up? What's wrong with people running at the bottom with stock parts? How does it effect you?

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C'mon Toby, it's not a conspiracy against the "brake pedal bandits," it's simply a business decision.

Yes, sounds like a good business decision to drive customers away.

-Toby

7423 · 12-13-2009, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby Lang

Well, it looks like it's about your concerns though. Why not just make a rule that says if you have entered a car in Stock this year you can't enter it in Super Stock later or something similar.

Aren't the guys at the bottom the ones you want to run heads-up? What's wrong with people running at the bottom with stock parts? How does it effect you?

Yes, sounds like a good business decision to drive customers away.

-Toby

I agree Toby, it would drive me away.

Mark Yacavone · 12-13-2009, 09:40 PM

Good reasons:

I must have heard this one a hundred times..whenever someone brings up doing away with heads up runs in eliminations : "It's supposed to be a performance based eliminator"

Think about this. A guy can go to Indy and be 180th qualifier (dead last) @ .06 under. He's a full second away from the slowest qualifier.
That same guy can go to the very next National event and win it.

Something's wrong with this picture.

Sean Cour · 12-13-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby Lang

Well, it looks like it's about your concerns though. Why not just make a rule that says if you have entered a car in Stock this year you can't enter it in Super Stock later or something similar.

Aren't the guys at the bottom the ones you want to run heads-up? What's wrong with people running at the bottom with stock parts? How does it effect you?

Yes, sounds like a good business decision to drive customers away.

-Toby

What are my concerns Toby? Seems yours are mine. Go ahead and get some kind of rule change like the one you suggested. I'm sure some of the TSR would love that, especially coming from you.

I don't care who I run heads up. If I can't beat them, I work harder on the car, or myself, until I do. You can run as much "stock" parts as you like. It just makes it easier to beat you, if I get the chance to run you heads up.

Yes, it actually does sound like a good business decision. Put some pressure on the racers that don't participate as highly as the others in the purchasing of performance parts. Isn't that a big carrot in why you race, Toby, the contingency payouts?

12-13-2009, 09:00 PM	#1
Paul Precht Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Elysburg, Pa Posts: 733 Likes: 361 Liked 327 Times in 121 Posts	Re: Black Tuesday? Yes, thats a very good point but slowing their cars down before the 1/8th mile could be a fatal decision in a heads up run, Paul.

12-13-2009, 09:40 PM	#9
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,822 Likes: 2,916 Liked 5,133 Times in 1,957 Posts	Re: Black Tuesday? Good reasons: I must have heard this one a hundred times..whenever someone brings up doing away with heads up runs in eliminations : "It's supposed to be a performance based eliminator" Think about this. A guy can go to Indy and be 180th qualifier (dead last) @ .06 under. He's a full second away from the slowest qualifier. That same guy can go to the very next National event and win it. Something's wrong with this picture. __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers