"WHAT IF" part 4

[Pistol Pete]

Terry Bell

I think to have our own Assocation would be great. I like UCRA - United Class Racers Assocation.

I also like Jeff Lee's comment on combine classes, Stick with Auto's & combining A,B&C - D,E&F, ect.
I came up with a different plan. See if anyone out there likes this idea.

I only did this for Stock Elim. I broke down all of the NHRA classes into 16 classes by combining them
of course. OK
1. AA stick & auto same index
2. A & B 3 tenths difference in indexs, so add wt. or take out wt. to make it even.
3. C & D 2 tenths difference.
4. E & F 2 tenths difference.
5. G & H .25 hundreds diff.
6. I & J .25 diff.
7. K & L .15 diff.
8. M,N&O 3 tenths diff.
9. P/S & P/SA is the same index.
10. Q/S - Q/SA & A/FS 2 tenths diff.
11. R/S & R/SA 1 tenth diff.
12. T/S & T/SA same index
13. U/S - U/SA & B/FS 2 tenths diff.
14. V/S -V/SA- C&D/FS .45 hundreds diff. ( this is the only class with a big index gap ) suggestions ?
15. W/S & W/SA .25 hundreds diff.
16. E/FS class by itself

How i would run this would be: Run these for Class Elim's on Saturday & the 16 Winners go into the Handicap Style Elim. for Sunday. Payout's, we could use some ideas. Anyone ?????
I'm sure you could do the same for Super Stock using the index formula. Different Class, Same Index =
1 Class, ect....
I would really like some payout ideas. I'll try & do 1 today.

UCRA is the future for us Class Racers...

Sincerely
"Pistol" Pete Dutko
1374 Stock

[GUMP]

I like the NCRA suggestion.

Please, NO fuel injected classes. NHRA HP factors too.

[Robert Swartz]

Originally Posted by Pistol Pete

Terry Bell

I think to have our own Assocation would be great. I like UCRA - United Class Racers Assocation.

I also like Jeff Lee's comment on combine classes, Stick with Auto's & combining A,B&C - D,E&F, ect.
I came up with a different plan. See if anyone out there likes this idea.

I only did this for Stock Elim. I broke down all of the NHRA classes into 16 classes by combining them
of course. OK
1. AA stick & auto same index
2. A & B 3 tenths difference in indexs, so add wt. or take out wt. to make it even.
3. C & D 2 tenths difference.
4. E & F 2 tenths difference.
5. G & H .25 hundreds diff.
6. I & J .25 diff.
7. K & L .15 diff.
8. M,N&O 3 tenths diff.
9. P/S & P/SA is the same index.
10. Q/S - Q/SA & A/FS 2 tenths diff.
11. R/S & R/SA 1 tenth diff.
12. T/S & T/SA same index
13. U/S - U/SA & B/FS 2 tenths diff.
14. V/S -V/SA- C&D/FS .45 hundreds diff. ( this is the only class with a big index gap ) suggestions ?
15. W/S & W/SA .25 hundreds diff.
16. E/FS class by itself

How i would run this would be: Run these for Class Elim's on Saturday & the 16 Winners go into the Handicap Style Elim. for Sunday. Payout's, we could use some ideas. Anyone ?????
I'm sure you could do the same for Super Stock using the index formula. Different Class, Same Index =
1 Class, ect....
I would really like some payout ideas. I'll try & do 1 today.

UCRA is the future for us Class Racers...

Sincerely
"Pistol" Pete Dutko
1374 Stock

This is great for the NHRA/IHRA stockers. What about the rest of the IHRA cars, GT, Crate motor and Pure stockers? IF, we're going off indexes, lump them in where they fit? No, I haven't done the research to see how this would work out. Or, we run as stand alone classes?

I like this scenario. Just curious as to how we'll fit with the rest of the stockers.

Robert Swartz

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Robert Swartz

This is great for the NHRA/IHRA stockers. What about the rest of the IHRA cars, GT, Crate motor and Pure stockers? IF, we're going off indexes, lump them in where they fit? No, I haven't done the research to see how this would work out. Or, we run as stand alone classes?

I like this scenario. Just curious as to how we'll fit with the rest of the stockers.

Robert Swartz

They already have thier own class index in GT, Crate motors, and the pure stockers but if you notice they run stick and auto together for the same class. There is no seperate stick and automatic class and to cut down the number of classes this might happen with the rest of the classes. Not sure yet though.

[House of Darts]

If you think that it is OK to lump the FWD with the RWD, then lump the Crate Motor cars with the rest of the field as per their index. Let the bitcin' begin.

[Dick Butler]

TOP/STK type deal for 2 or 3 classes together first time or two all the way down in Stock and SS. Get people comfortable again with bigger classes.
SS and GT with similar consolidation. Give 50 lb break to original SS cars at same breaks to see how it works.
It will work if you can keep the excitement of the stand alone Association. ADVERTISE it locally and charge minimal spectator fees. Get the crowd hooked again. Make the money on Food, and decals.
Regardless how cheap the tickets are it will be a start...
Get the Mustangs there and the Hemis and the Challengers and consider a Nostalgia display.

[X-TECH MAN]

Might go with ONE pound wt breaks instead of 1/2 lb breaks to further reduce the number of classes in both stock and super stock. Have to add a 6 and 7 lb wt break for the GT S/Sers to give the Hemi, T-Bolts, and Hi HP Corvettes some competition. The slight wt. break might work well to combine GT and traditional Super stockers????? Maybe some wt. break for the lower class automatic stockers and super stockers also. The main thing is there are way to many classes. The manufactures cannot pay for class win for all these different classes in this economy. Why do you think that a class win money has been going down and it isnt worth much even at Indy? All would still run the eliminator on Sunday anyway....not just class winners. Just thinking out loud. One question.....How many FWD cars exist today across the country anyway????

[Robert Swartz]

Originally Posted by House of Darts

If you think that it is OK to lump the FWD with the RWD, then lump the Crate Motor cars with the rest of the field as per their index. Let the bitcin' begin.

This would make the most sense to me. IF, the big IF, the crate cars dominate, which I highly suspect they won't , you make adjustments, add weight, move the cars up a class (or two), add HP, which many have suggested. I can guarantee one thing, someone won't be happy!

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Might go with ONE pound wt breaks instead of 1/2 lb breaks to further reduce the number of classes in both stock and super stock. Have to add a 6 and 7 lb wt break for the GT S/Sers to give the Hemi, T-Bolts, and Hi HP Corvettes some competition. The slight wt. break might work well to combine GT and traditional Super stockers????? Maybe some wt. break for the lower class automatic stockers and super stockers also. The main thing is there are way to many classes. The manufactures cannot pay for class win for all these different classes in this economy. Why do you think that a class win money has been going down and it isnt worth much even at Indy? All would still run the eliminator on Sunday anyway....not just class winners. Just thinking out loud. One question.....How many FWD cars exist today across the country anyway????

They already have thier own class index in GT, Crate motors, and the pure stockers but if you notice they run stick and auto together for the same class. There is no seperate stick and automatic class and to cut down the number of classes this might happen with the rest of the classes. Not sure yet though.

Full pound breaks, sticks and autos run together. I think this would make the racing fun. Wish I had my stocker ready.

Let's race!!! Gives me something to work towards.

Robert Swartz

[X-TECH MAN]

I just had a phone call from a good friend Dave and he suggested that the upper classes stayed at 1/2 lb wt breaks down to the 11 lb class (Currently "G") due to the higher HP ratings then go with full lb breaks for the rest (12 on down). Give a wt reduction of about 50 lbs for the automatics from about "M" (14 lbs) on down. Theres all kinds of ways to reduce the number of classes and still be fair. He also said the reason the class win money is low is because of way to many classes. He also suggested a name for the association. What about the AHRA ("Alternative" Hot Rod Association) unless someone still holds the rights to the AHRA name......lol ?

[Robert Swartz]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

I just had a phone call from a good friend Dave and he suggested that the upper classes stayed at 1/2 lb wt breaks down to the 11 lb class (Currently "G") due to the higher HP ratings then go with full lb breaks for the rest (12 on down). Give a wt reduction of about 50 lbs for the automatics from about "M" (14 lbs) on down. Theres all kinds of ways to reduce the number of classes and still be fair. He also said the reason the class win money is low is because of way to many classes. He also suggested a name for the association. What about the AHRA ("Alternative" Hot Rod Association) unless someone still holds the rights to the AHRA name......lol ?

Or maybe that's it. Revive the AHRA under a new brand. That's an interesting question, if someone does still hold the rights to that name? I always thought they had the neatest decal anyway. I had an old AHRA t-shirt, wore that thing till it became nothing but a faded rag, LOL! Still have it in a paper bag upstairs somewhere.

I think that's it, BRING BACK the AHRA!!!!!!

Robert Swartz