New cars, old cars and horsepower ratings.

[KRatcliff]

I think you are overstating number 2. Anyone that has spent as much time on a carb car as I have mine is just as fast. Look at Tracy Pedigo for example. His car makes slightly more HP per cubic inch than mine does.

[Andrew Hill]

I don't understand the need to lower the indexes even further, why would we want to lose racers when Indy is almost always the only race with a full field anymore?

As far as separating the fuel injected cars from the carbureted cars, it's not fair to the guys with fairly factored fuel injected cars, and it would get rid of some really close races, especially in A-C. I don't see any reason why a 397/375 and an LS1 should not run heads up.

[Marvin Robinson]

Originally Posted by KRatcliff

I think you are overstating number 2. Anyone that has spent as much time on a carb car as I have mine is just as fast. Look at Tracy Pedigo for example. His car makes slightly more HP per cubic inch than mine does.

The point is not how well you can make the car run, but how easy it is to make changes. I have run a FI car, and making changes by pushing buttons is a lot easier than changing jets, adjusting timing with a light, etc. That may turn out to be a non issue for most racers, I'm just making the observation....

[Marvin Robinson]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hill

I don't understand the need to lower the indexes even further, why would we want to lose racers when Indy is almost always the only race with a full field anymore?

Having the indexes more accurately reflect performance I think is a good thing, the relative performance of the cars will still be the same, but I think a field with the cars .4-.7 under at the top is better than 1 second plus.

As far as separating the fuel injected cars from the carbureted cars, it's not fair to the guys with fairly factored fuel injected cars, and it would get rid of some really close races, especially in A-C. I don't see any reason why a 397/375 and an LS1 should not run heads up.

I agree.... this is a case where the factors are close to correct.... the problem keeps coming back to having accurate/fair factors.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Marvin Robinson

The point is not how well you can make the car run, but how easy it is to make changes. I have run a FI car, and making changes by pushing buttons is a lot easier than changing jets, adjusting timing with a light, etc. That may turn out to be a non issue for most racers, I'm just making the observation....

So, your problem is with the physical effort involved? LOL

[Marvin Robinson]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

So, your problem is with the physical effort involved? LOL

Don't have a problem with the effort (I went back to a carbureted car), just the amount of equipment and time it takes, especially when time is short. (That's the bracket racer in me talking, those late rounds tax your prep time, and at my old home track, dial-in changes were NOT allowed, so you couldn't use shoe polish to "tune" your car)

[KRatcliff]

Originally Posted by Marvin Robinson

The point is not how well you can make the car run, but how easy it is to make changes. I have run a FI car, and making changes by pushing buttons is a lot easier than changing jets, adjusting timing with a light, etc. That may turn out to be a non issue for most racers, I'm just making the observation....

But your solution is equating it as a performance advantage. Just because you do it differently doesn't mean a person is doing it right. Tuning a carb car or a FI car properly is a pretty level playing field.

[KEN BUGAJ]

Look if you want more car's in stock and more people in the stands than add some crate motor's !!
GM 502/502,502/450,385/390 ,350/330
add 3 or 4 Mopar and Ford crate motor's
Look I know NHRA Div. 1 has alot of car's , when you draw from 4 or 5 million you can get that many.
But Div. 2and some others have a problem with car the count.
Why not try it at the Div. 2 points races and see how it works out.
Heck if you add 20 or 30 car's to a div. race you'll add what ? another $8000. or $9000.
to help the track stay in business.
I would love to see a 56/57 chevy with a 350/330 runnig l crate motor.
The people in the stands don't care what motor is in that 56, just that it pull's the wheels and looks fast.
Just an Idea,,,,,

[Marvin Robinson]

Originally Posted by KRatcliff

But your solution is equating it as a performance advantage. Just because you do it differently doesn't mean a person is doing it right. Tuning a carb car or a FI car properly is a pretty level playing field.

Agreed... there is not a performance advantage (that was not my point), just easier and faster with a laptop rather than a toolbox. At my old track, in the final (round robin) rounds, it could make the difference between making an adjustment, and having to pass on the opportunity.

[KRatcliff]

Originally Posted by Marvin Robinson

Agreed... there is not a performance advantage (that was not my point), just easier and faster with a laptop rather than a toolbox. At my old track, in the final (round robin) rounds, it could make the difference between making an adjustment, and having to pass on the opportunity.

I can never remember making tuning adjustments in the later rounds. We are talking the NHRA, right? They do allow dial changes in any rounds unlike your home track. And that is a moot point because your individual class changes would be for heads up matches.

All in all I cannot follow your logic.