Common Sense GT car rules revision!

[bill dedman]

Bobby DiDomenico said, "And count me in on the WORST red light deal. I've been told the fans wouldn't understand it."

What's to "understand"???

The way it is now, only one red light shows.

With the "worse red light" system only one red light will show; the worse one, and it will show as the 2nd car leaves the line..

There might be some minimal confusion by spectators, if there's a big handicap and the first car has the worse red light; that light would not come on until the 2nd car leaves, which could be 3 or 4 seconds after the first car to leave has launched.

That's the only way there could be any confusion, as I see it, and I think the spectators could get used to that, in view of the benefits this system would bring with it.

But
1. It's probably never gonna happen, and
2. If it ever did happen, the incidences of the 2nd car red lighting worse than the first one will be few and far between. That happens very seldom...

So, I don't think that "spectator confusion" will ever be much of a problem with a worse red light ystem.

The racers, themselves, would be unaware it was even in operation until after both cars have left the line because the first car's red light is delayed, and wouldn't turn on before the second car leaves the line.

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by Bobby DiDomenico

Lynn,

An interesting idea, but on some cars, the scoop assembly is worth more than the 2 barrel version of the entire car. And some won't fit given that every new car looks the same, like a bubble thing. What if we make all new GT cars have working air that they came with? Now that would be COOL!

And count me in on the WORST red light deal. I've been told the fans wouldn't understand it. Heck, there are commentators on TV each week talking about races won or lost on "Reaction time" when in fact what is measured is "car movement time" not the drivers reaction!!

Get me the Stage 2 455 GS legal in Stock and I'm getting you the hood scoops buddy. I know this guy who ran one a few years back and the crowds went wild, seems they didn't know folks raced cars other than Chevys....

Tell me about it Bobby,

The Stage 2 Buicks and the RA-V Pontiacs have every business in stock and Super Stock as the 427 Camaros and the Hemi cars especially the single 4 Hemis, but lets try to stay on subject.

Ram Air for a GT engine that actually came with RAM AIR is a reasonable request.

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

In todays world the kids that would normally be coming into our sport are not interested.There are too many things to do other than spend money they don't have on the bottomless pit S/SS is becoming.they
buy Hondas now,not GM,Ford,Mopar etc.
And look at NASCAR.Their fanbase (theout) is deteriorting,no good old boy drivers,a world car and supposedly in the future a world engine.Sound like Pro Stock??????????????

Ed

Ed,

If I had your attitude, the following things would have never been tried or accomplished:

1.) Stop mufflers on SSers and Sers
2.) RA-IV stocker engine down to 356 from 380HP/375HP
3.) 1973 455SD from 350HP to 325HP (from a guy running nitrous on this combo)
4.) Edelbrock replacement heads on a few Super Stockers
5.) 1970 455HO reduced to 335HP from 360HP
6.) Delay boxes stopped from SSer and Sers
7.) RA-IV engine HP down from 380HP & 370HP down to 340HP in SSers.
8.) Indian Adventure block approved for Pontiacs in S and SS.
9.) Kaufman block approved for Pontiacs in S and SS.

Nor would the following endeavors be tried:

1.) Correct statistical methods for AHFS
2.) Heads up races instead of 3 days of boring practice at Points races
3.) Edelbrock heads on stock Pontiacs to run against Edelbrock heads already existing on BBC's and 428 CJ motors.
4.) Edelbrock heads on 455SD motors and 421SD motors.
5.) RA-V heads for Modified engines
6.) A factory race engine heads up class at 6.0 and 7.0 for GT cars
7.) Factory Ram Air for Ram Air engines in GT cars.

Ed, NHRA and IHRA has been very helpful if you keep after it and it makes common sense. You must keep the glass half full instead of half empty.......or better yet as engineers always say you gotta get the right size glass for the job!

One thing I will bet you for sure......if we dont try it wont happen, and if it doesnt happen, it wont be because we didnt try.

[Ed Wright]

Bobby DiDomenico said, "And count me in on the WORST red light deal. I've been told the fans wouldn't understand it."

Do you know that a lot of faster guys go ahead and leave when the slower car goes red? No need to sit there on the trans brake for nothing, you have already won. A lot of the second red lights would never happen if the rules were changed.

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

#1....lol
#2.....NHRA....Common Sense.....Ha ha Ho Ho Heh heh
#3....now your talking sense. There IS life after Drag Racing NHRA style and its a good one.

Aw come on Terry, if we cant get them to do it, we do it ourselves! Change happens slowly, but it does happen. There is way more to life than drag racing, but it certainly is a bunch of fun! I have a Baja, 6 children (one by acquisition), a chemical company, a motorsports company. I dont want to lose any of them and will fight for each and everyone. Lay down Sally I am not!

My biggest problem is to figure out why I made almost the same HP as Stacy on the dyno, same dyno same day but 70HP off in the car. Langer said I need to paint it pink and put a tail on it!

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Bobby DiDomenico said, "And count me in on the WORST red light deal. I've been told the fans wouldn't understand it."

Do you know that a lot of faster guys go ahead and leave when the slower car goes red? No need to sit there on the trans brake for nothing, you have already won. A lot of the second red lights would never happen if the rules were changed.

Geesh Ed,

Now you are telling me that fine blinder thinga do doesn't actually prevent one driver from seeing the others tree? Even if you are correct, no reason BOTH drivers don't get the same chance to red light. Isn't it first or worst for the other infractions? And it wouldn't cost any money, its in the software.

And Lynn, I've got this really big hammer, sorry I mean adjusting tool, to get the scoop to fit!! When are we doing it? Gotta come and see my aunt soon anyway.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Bobby DiDomenico

Geesh Ed,

Now you are telling me that fine blinder thinga do doesn't actually prevent one driver from seeing the others tree? Even if you are correct, no reason BOTH drivers don't get the same chance to red light. Isn't it first or worst for the other infractions? And it wouldn't cost any money, its in the software.

Some block the other side of the tree, some (smaller ones) don't. Many very good drivers don't use one at all. The slower car leaves first, right? If one doesn't do it first, they would go with worst. The slower car leaves first, so would go red first if the handicap is big enough. If they said "worst or first" it might be different. More often than not, I leave first. We seem to be run over with eight second hood scoop cars around here. Some of them only go red if I do. I asked one "If I go red, do you go ahead and leave?" He says "why not? No need to sit there getting my car hotter." Makes sense to me. My blinder does block the other side of the tree, so I never know if a slower car went red unless I look at the score board when the front end comes down. If I forget that, I find out when I get the time slip.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Lynn A McCarty

Ed,

If I had your attitude, the following things would have never been tried or accomplished:

1.) Stop mufflers on SSers and Sers
2.) RA-IV stocker engine down to 356 from 380HP/375HP
3.) 1973 455SD from 350HP to 325HP (from a guy running nitrous on this combo)
4.) Edelbrock replacement heads on a few Super Stockers
5.) 1970 455HO reduced to 335HP from 360HP
6.) Delay boxes stopped from SSer and Sers
7.) RA-IV engine HP down from 380HP & 370HP down to 340HP in SSers.
8.) Indian Adventure block approved for Pontiacs in S and SS.
9.) Kaufman block approved for Pontiacs in S and SS.

Nor would the following endeavors be tried:

1.) Correct statistical methods for AHFS
2.) Heads up races instead of 3 days of boring practice at Points races
3.) Edelbrock heads on stock Pontiacs to run against Edelbrock heads already existing on BBC's and 428 CJ motors.
4.) Edelbrock heads on 455SD motors and 421SD motors.
5.) RA-V heads for Modified engines
6.) A factory race engine heads up class at 6.0 and 7.0 for GT cars
7.) Factory Ram Air for Ram Air engines in GT cars.

Ed, NHRA and IHRA has been very helpful if you keep after it and it makes common sense. You must keep the glass half full instead of half empty.......or better yet as engineers always say you gotta get the right size glass for the job!

One thing I will bet you for sure......if we dont try it wont happen, and if it doesnt happen, it wont be because we didnt try.

Jeez Lynn,that list looks like Santa's wish list for Pontiac rqacers.
What i alluded to is that you will not change the make up of current NHRA race fans.They are a totally different breed now.If you can't see that this conversation is ended.Good luck and keep chasing those windmills.

Ed

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Urraco

Recognition for S/SS aint never gonna happen guys. As long as NHRA has 2 of the cookie cutter fuel cars running, they are going to push them down the throats of the fans. Remember, they are ALLOWING us to race according to them.

Not only that, Kip. They've been subsidizing us!

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Jeez Lynn,that list looks like Santa's wish list for Pontiac rqacers.
What i alluded to is that you will not change the make up of current NHRA race fans.They are a totally different breed now.If you can't see that this conversation is ended.Good luck and keep chasing those windmills.

Ed

Ed, Mark, I dont agree, Billy Meyer tried to do away with Sportsmen and it was a miserable failure. If S and SS was sold, people would buy it. Have you ever been to a NMCA race? The fans are crazy about it! I say lead or get out of the way! You know what you call someone who does everything the same and expect a different result? So if it fails one way, we try another.