Common Sense GT car rules revision!

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

In todays world the kids that would normally be coming into our sport are not interested.There are too many things to do other than spend money they don't have on the bottomless pit S/SS is becoming.they
buy Hondas now,not GM,Ford,Mopar etc.
And look at NASCAR.Their fanbase (theout) is deteriorting,no good old boy drivers,a world car and supposedly in the future a world engine.Sound like Pro Stock??????????????

Ed

Ed,

If I had your attitude, the following things would have never been tried or accomplished:

1.) Stop mufflers on SSers and Sers
2.) RA-IV stocker engine down to 356 from 380HP/375HP
3.) 1973 455SD from 350HP to 325HP (from a guy running nitrous on this combo)
4.) Edelbrock replacement heads on a few Super Stockers
5.) 1970 455HO reduced to 335HP from 360HP
6.) Delay boxes stopped from SSer and Sers
7.) RA-IV engine HP down from 380HP & 370HP down to 340HP in SSers.
8.) Indian Adventure block approved for Pontiacs in S and SS.
9.) Kaufman block approved for Pontiacs in S and SS.

Nor would the following endeavors be tried:

1.) Correct statistical methods for AHFS
2.) Heads up races instead of 3 days of boring practice at Points races
3.) Edelbrock heads on stock Pontiacs to run against Edelbrock heads already existing on BBC's and 428 CJ motors.
4.) Edelbrock heads on 455SD motors and 421SD motors.
5.) RA-V heads for Modified engines
6.) A factory race engine heads up class at 6.0 and 7.0 for GT cars
7.) Factory Ram Air for Ram Air engines in GT cars.

Ed, NHRA and IHRA has been very helpful if you keep after it and it makes common sense. You must keep the glass half full instead of half empty.......or better yet as engineers always say you gotta get the right size glass for the job!

One thing I will bet you for sure......if we dont try it wont happen, and if it doesnt happen, it wont be because we didnt try.

[Ed Wright]

Bobby DiDomenico said, "And count me in on the WORST red light deal. I've been told the fans wouldn't understand it."

Do you know that a lot of faster guys go ahead and leave when the slower car goes red? No need to sit there on the trans brake for nothing, you have already won. A lot of the second red lights would never happen if the rules were changed.

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Bobby DiDomenico said, "And count me in on the WORST red light deal. I've been told the fans wouldn't understand it."

Do you know that a lot of faster guys go ahead and leave when the slower car goes red? No need to sit there on the trans brake for nothing, you have already won. A lot of the second red lights would never happen if the rules were changed.

Geesh Ed,

Now you are telling me that fine blinder thinga do doesn't actually prevent one driver from seeing the others tree? Even if you are correct, no reason BOTH drivers don't get the same chance to red light. Isn't it first or worst for the other infractions? And it wouldn't cost any money, its in the software.

And Lynn, I've got this really big hammer, sorry I mean adjusting tool, to get the scoop to fit!! When are we doing it? Gotta come and see my aunt soon anyway.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Bobby DiDomenico

Geesh Ed,

Now you are telling me that fine blinder thinga do doesn't actually prevent one driver from seeing the others tree? Even if you are correct, no reason BOTH drivers don't get the same chance to red light. Isn't it first or worst for the other infractions? And it wouldn't cost any money, its in the software.

Some block the other side of the tree, some (smaller ones) don't. Many very good drivers don't use one at all. The slower car leaves first, right? If one doesn't do it first, they would go with worst. The slower car leaves first, so would go red first if the handicap is big enough. If they said "worst or first" it might be different. More often than not, I leave first. We seem to be run over with eight second hood scoop cars around here. Some of them only go red if I do. I asked one "If I go red, do you go ahead and leave?" He says "why not? No need to sit there getting my car hotter." Makes sense to me. My blinder does block the other side of the tree, so I never know if a slower car went red unless I look at the score board when the front end comes down. If I forget that, I find out when I get the time slip.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Bobby DiDomenico said, "And count me in on the WORST red light deal. I've been told the fans wouldn't understand it."

Do you know that a lot of faster guys go ahead and leave when the slower car goes red? No need to sit there on the trans brake for nothing, you have already won. A lot of the second red lights would never happen if the rules were changed.

Ed , That may or may not be happening, but if it is ,that's one more advantage to the faster car . Doesn't sound like a good reason to NOT change the system.
...And ,could you do me a favor? Look on DRC for the last time someone left 1-2 seconds early, after the first car red-lighted.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Lynn A McCarty

Ed,

If I had your attitude, the following things would have never been tried or accomplished:

1.) Stop mufflers on SSers and Sers
2.) RA-IV stocker engine down to 356 from 380HP/375HP
3.) 1973 455SD from 350HP to 325HP (from a guy running nitrous on this combo)
4.) Edelbrock replacement heads on a few Super Stockers
5.) 1970 455HO reduced to 335HP from 360HP
6.) Delay boxes stopped from SSer and Sers
7.) RA-IV engine HP down from 380HP & 370HP down to 340HP in SSers.
8.) Indian Adventure block approved for Pontiacs in S and SS.
9.) Kaufman block approved for Pontiacs in S and SS.

Nor would the following endeavors be tried:

1.) Correct statistical methods for AHFS
2.) Heads up races instead of 3 days of boring practice at Points races
3.) Edelbrock heads on stock Pontiacs to run against Edelbrock heads already existing on BBC's and 428 CJ motors.
4.) Edelbrock heads on 455SD motors and 421SD motors.
5.) RA-V heads for Modified engines
6.) A factory race engine heads up class at 6.0 and 7.0 for GT cars
7.) Factory Ram Air for Ram Air engines in GT cars.

Ed, NHRA and IHRA has been very helpful if you keep after it and it makes common sense. You must keep the glass half full instead of half empty.......or better yet as engineers always say you gotta get the right size glass for the job!

One thing I will bet you for sure......if we dont try it wont happen, and if it doesnt happen, it wont be because we didnt try.

Jeez Lynn,that list looks like Santa's wish list for Pontiac rqacers.
What i alluded to is that you will not change the make up of current NHRA race fans.They are a totally different breed now.If you can't see that this conversation is ended.Good luck and keep chasing those windmills.

Ed

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Jeez Lynn,that list looks like Santa's wish list for Pontiac rqacers.
What i alluded to is that you will not change the make up of current NHRA race fans.They are a totally different breed now.If you can't see that this conversation is ended.Good luck and keep chasing those windmills.

Ed

Ed, Mark, I dont agree, Billy Meyer tried to do away with Sportsmen and it was a miserable failure. If S and SS was sold, people would buy it. Have you ever been to a NMCA race? The fans are crazy about it! I say lead or get out of the way! You know what you call someone who does everything the same and expect a different result? So if it fails one way, we try another.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Lynn A McCarty

Ed, Mark, I dont agree, Billy Meyer tried to do away with Sportsmen and it was a miserable failure. If S and SS was sold, people would buy it. Have you ever been to a NMCA race? The fans are crazy about it! I say lead or get out of the way! You know what you call someone who does everything the same and expect a different result? So if it fails one way, we try another.

Lynn,NHRA needs us for one thing.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ NMCA/NHRA oranges and apples.Most of their program is fast heads up racing.Go there and see how much it costs to be competitive.They make Comp look like Jr dragster.
The answer to your question: Obama??

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Lynn,NHRA needs us for one thing.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ NMCA/NHRA oranges and apples.Most of their program is fast heads up racing.Go there and see how much it costs to be competitive.They make Comp look like Jr dragster.
The answer to your question: Obama??

Yes or Foolish whichever you wanna pick. Why do you think I have been promoting heads up instead of boring 3 days of practice? However if the silent majority stays silent, nothing will happen.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Lynn A McCarty

Yes or Foolish whichever you wanna pick. Why do you think I have been promoting heads up instead of boring 3 days of practice? However if the silent majority stays silent, nothing will happen.

If I'm getting this right you're proposing going to running off indexes or national records.If so bye bye
S/SS.You will have the same 20 guys with deep pockets racing.Just like it was when the bracket format was introduced to raise participation levels.