Common Sense GT car rules revision!

[bill dedman]

That's just about the most illogical hing I ever heard.

The HP factor is on the motor that's going to be RACED, and if it had fresh air, that's a part of its factor.

Depriving a motor of a scoop that was factored as a fresh air engine is changing the parameters of how it makes power and invalidates the veracity of the factor.

But, I forget; it's NHRA.... the folks that gave us Hydramatics in Chevy sedan deliveries (and the subsequent total ban) and a 30+ year ban on 3-speed automatics in (some) cars that came with one (Turboglide.)

I forget what kind of minds I'm dealing with, here...

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Lynn A McCarty

I still think stock and super stock is a very valuable untapped resource. You could have said the same thing about NASCAR 30 years ago. If you dont sell it.....it will never be sold. Anyway I think the rule change suggestion would make hypo engines in the GT applications make way more common sense.

In todays world the kids that would normally be coming into our sport are not interested.There are too many things to do other than spend money they don't have on the bottomless pit S/SS is becoming.they
buy Hondas now,not GM,Ford,Mopar etc.
And look at NASCAR.Their fanbase (theout) is deteriorting,no good old boy drivers,a world car and supposedly in the future a world engine.Sound like Pro Stock??????????????

Ed

[Jeff Lee]

pinks: all out

[Mike Taylor 3601]

I'll class race as long as I can and there is a place,I know people who have raced twenty years and don't
have a clue about stock,super stock,or comp and don't want to know about it,believe me I tried to explain
and get them interested.You can tell them about cars like Jerry Hemingson's B/A run 4.50s W/ 390''s SBC 5 years ago,[have to explain it's nat. aspirated] they don't care cause so&so runs 4.40's W/ 706 &2stages NOS.,or you get the most offensive to me response,He could run Top Sportsman with that.
They don't relate to how fast a car is by cubic inches/weight/resrictions they just see ET and don't care
how you did it in there mind lower ET =better car.That is how majority of drag fans think,most don't know
what a super stocker is let alone GT car.I do think you right about scoops going w/engine Lynn,sorry
if got of course.The class racer or anything else in this country that requires thinking or work is dying
and I don't like it.
Mike Taylor3601

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Please... We already have FWD conversions. To the average fan, they don't even sound right without a fartcan.

Good one Mark!!

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by Lynn A McCarty

We all notice that GT cars usually run engines with the most favorable HP that is a given. However, what I have never understood is when a hypo engine is rated with factory Ram Air, why dont they allow us to run the factory hood scoop? There certainly isnt any credit for killing our intake height or losing fresh air.

Dont you guys think that if a car's engine came with Ram Air we should be able to incorporate the original hood scoop on the GT car? IE 428 CJ should get the shaker hood they were rated with. 440 magnum should get the 440 magnum hood scoop.

I think it would be way cool to let the fans know that it is the new car with the appropriate engine dynamics!

Lynn,

An interesting idea, but on some cars, the scoop assembly is worth more than the 2 barrel version of the entire car. And some won't fit given that every new car looks the same, like a bubble thing. What if we make all new GT cars have working air that they came with? Now that would be COOL!

And count me in on the WORST red light deal. I've been told the fans wouldn't understand it. Heck, there are commentators on TV each week talking about races won or lost on "Reaction time" when in fact what is measured is "car movment time" not the drivers reaction!!

Get me the Stage 2 455 GS legal in Stock and I'm getting you the hood scoops buddy. I know this guy who ran one a few years back and the crowds went wild, seems they didn't know folks raced cars other than Chevys....

[Dick Butler]

Good Luck Lynn, I hear you as a voice in the "dark" when it comes to asking for reasonable change and reasonable thought from NHRA. I respect your continued excitement and support for Class racing and S and SS but the whole "picture" has changed in the Auto industry, economy, life styles of youth and unless restarted from Zero by an new organization our form of excitement is a fond memory.
Choices are 1) keep going and "participating" when ever Class is run and run points meets as a participant without caring no one comes to see (for 1000 reasons)
2) keep hoping NHRA will have an attack of common sense or Crisis and develop a need for a crowd who likes S and SS.
3) sell your stuff when appropriate and take up a hobby where no one controls your goals and participation with the stroke of an ignorant pen.
I personally chose #3. I have a cruise in 409. I take it out of the garage " when I want to" I drive it WHERE I want to. I take it where hundreds of people love it too and respect it for its history. I do not compete with any rules or governance. I just GO there on my schedule or NOT. I control ALL my hobby. I even work on it IF I want to not in a hurry to arrive or get a parking spot or a campground. I eat at the booths, get a sunburn, visit fellow car lovers and look at old AMERICAN car parts and cars.
I am much more relaxed as I only deal with my rules of go "if I want to do it, I go."
Good Luck!

[Angelo DiTocco]

What about this for a GT rule change?

The FWD conversions get to do a lot of cool front end mods.... I particularly like the fact that they have tube frame rails and tube control arms / tabs / heims/ etc... like a comp car. I'm sure it makes them a lot safer than if the factory k-frame and stamped control arms were used. There's also more room for headers, oil pan width etc.. I think it makes the cars a little easier to work on too.

Any way my question is this - -

I wonder if the NHRA tech dept would ever consider allowing a traditional RWD car to redo the front end in a similar manner. Eliminate the factory K-member and control arms & replace it with tube and mounts for tubular control arms. Maybe even eliminate the upper arm and replace the upright with a sanhuff strut. Firewall wouldn't be an issue. It would also save some weight. It is a radical idea, but it seems like the next logical step considering what the FwD conversions are allowed to do.

Thoughts? Opinions?

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Good Luck Lynn, I hear you as a voice in the "dark" when it comes to asking for reasonable change and reasonable thought from NHRA. I respect your continued excitement and support for Class racing and S and SS but the whole "picture" has changed in the Auto industry, economy, life styles of youth and unless restarted from Zero by an new organization our form of excitement is a fond memory.
Choices are 1) keep going and "participating" when ever Class is run and run points meets as a participant without caring no one comes to see (for 1000 reasons)
2) keep hoping NHRA will have an attack of common sense or Crisis and develop a need for a crowd who likes S and SS.
3) sell your stuff when appropriate and take up a hobby where no one controls your goals and participation with the stroke of an ignorant pen.
I personally chose #3. I have a cruise in 409. I take it out of the garage " when I want to" I drive it WHERE I want to. I take it where hundreds of people love it too and respect it for its history. I do not compete with any rules or governance. I just GO there on my schedule or NOT. I control ALL my hobby. I even work on it IF I want to not in a hurry to arrive or get a parking spot or a campground. I eat at the booths, get a sunburn, visit fellow car lovers and look at old AMERICAN car parts and cars.
I am much more relaxed as I only deal with my rules of go "if I want to do it, I go."
Good Luck!

#1....lol
#2.....NHRA....Common Sence.....Ha ha Ho Ho Heh heh
#3....now your talking sence. There IS life after Drag Racing NHRA style and its a good one.

[Urraco]

Recognition for S/SS aint never gonna happen guys. As long as NHRA has 2 of the cookie cutter fuel cars running, they are going to push them down the throats of the fans. Remember, they are ALLOWING us to race according to them.