Common Sense GT car rules revision!

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by Lynn A McCarty

We all notice that GT cars usually run engines with the most favorable HP that is a given. However, what I have never understood is when a hypo engine is rated with factory Ram Air, why dont they allow us to run the factory hood scoop? There certainly isnt any credit for killing our intake height or losing fresh air.

Dont you guys think that if a car's engine came with Ram Air we should be able to incorporate the original hood scoop on the GT car? IE 428 CJ should get the shaker hood they were rated with. 440 magnum should get the 440 magnum hood scoop.

I think it would be way cool to let the fans know that it is the new car with the appropriate engine dynamics!

Lynn,

An interesting idea, but on some cars, the scoop assembly is worth more than the 2 barrel version of the entire car. And some won't fit given that every new car looks the same, like a bubble thing. What if we make all new GT cars have working air that they came with? Now that would be COOL!

And count me in on the WORST red light deal. I've been told the fans wouldn't understand it. Heck, there are commentators on TV each week talking about races won or lost on "Reaction time" when in fact what is measured is "car movment time" not the drivers reaction!!

Get me the Stage 2 455 GS legal in Stock and I'm getting you the hood scoops buddy. I know this guy who ran one a few years back and the crowds went wild, seems they didn't know folks raced cars other than Chevys....

[Dick Butler]

Good Luck Lynn, I hear you as a voice in the "dark" when it comes to asking for reasonable change and reasonable thought from NHRA. I respect your continued excitement and support for Class racing and S and SS but the whole "picture" has changed in the Auto industry, economy, life styles of youth and unless restarted from Zero by an new organization our form of excitement is a fond memory.
Choices are 1) keep going and "participating" when ever Class is run and run points meets as a participant without caring no one comes to see (for 1000 reasons)
2) keep hoping NHRA will have an attack of common sense or Crisis and develop a need for a crowd who likes S and SS.
3) sell your stuff when appropriate and take up a hobby where no one controls your goals and participation with the stroke of an ignorant pen.
I personally chose #3. I have a cruise in 409. I take it out of the garage " when I want to" I drive it WHERE I want to. I take it where hundreds of people love it too and respect it for its history. I do not compete with any rules or governance. I just GO there on my schedule or NOT. I control ALL my hobby. I even work on it IF I want to not in a hurry to arrive or get a parking spot or a campground. I eat at the booths, get a sunburn, visit fellow car lovers and look at old AMERICAN car parts and cars.
I am much more relaxed as I only deal with my rules of go "if I want to do it, I go."
Good Luck!

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Good Luck Lynn, I hear you as a voice in the "dark" when it comes to asking for reasonable change and reasonable thought from NHRA. I respect your continued excitement and support for Class racing and S and SS but the whole "picture" has changed in the Auto industry, economy, life styles of youth and unless restarted from Zero by an new organization our form of excitement is a fond memory.
Choices are 1) keep going and "participating" when ever Class is run and run points meets as a participant without caring no one comes to see (for 1000 reasons)
2) keep hoping NHRA will have an attack of common sense or Crisis and develop a need for a crowd who likes S and SS.
3) sell your stuff when appropriate and take up a hobby where no one controls your goals and participation with the stroke of an ignorant pen.
I personally chose #3. I have a cruise in 409. I take it out of the garage " when I want to" I drive it WHERE I want to. I take it where hundreds of people love it too and respect it for its history. I do not compete with any rules or governance. I just GO there on my schedule or NOT. I control ALL my hobby. I even work on it IF I want to not in a hurry to arrive or get a parking spot or a campground. I eat at the booths, get a sunburn, visit fellow car lovers and look at old AMERICAN car parts and cars.
I am much more relaxed as I only deal with my rules of go "if I want to do it, I go."
Good Luck!

#1....lol
#2.....NHRA....Common Sence.....Ha ha Ho Ho Heh heh
#3....now your talking sence. There IS life after Drag Racing NHRA style and its a good one.

[Urraco]

Recognition for S/SS aint never gonna happen guys. As long as NHRA has 2 of the cookie cutter fuel cars running, they are going to push them down the throats of the fans. Remember, they are ALLOWING us to race according to them.

[bill dedman]

Bobby DiDomenico said, "And count me in on the WORST red light deal. I've been told the fans wouldn't understand it."

What's to "understand"???

The way it is now, only one red light shows.

With the "worse red light" system only one red light will show; the worse one, and it will show as the 2nd car leaves the line..

There might be some minimal confusion by spectators, if there's a big handicap and the first car has the worse red light; that light would not come on until the 2nd car leaves, which could be 3 or 4 seconds after the first car to leave has launched.

That's the only way there could be any confusion, as I see it, and I think the spectators could get used to that, in view of the benefits this system would bring with it.

But
1. It's probably never gonna happen, and
2. If it ever did happen, the incidences of the 2nd car red lighting worse than the first one will be few and far between. That happens very seldom...

So, I don't think that "spectator confusion" will ever be much of a problem with a worse red light ystem.

The racers, themselves, would be unaware it was even in operation until after both cars have left the line because the first car's red light is delayed, and wouldn't turn on before the second car leaves the line.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Urraco

Recognition for S/SS aint never gonna happen guys. As long as NHRA has 2 of the cookie cutter fuel cars running, they are going to push them down the throats of the fans. Remember, they are ALLOWING us to race according to them.

Not only that, Kip. They've been subsidizing us!

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

#1....lol
#2.....NHRA....Common Sense.....Ha ha Ho Ho Heh heh
#3....now your talking sense. There IS life after Drag Racing NHRA style and its a good one.

Aw come on Terry, if we cant get them to do it, we do it ourselves! Change happens slowly, but it does happen. There is way more to life than drag racing, but it certainly is a bunch of fun! I have a Baja, 6 children (one by acquisition), a chemical company, a motorsports company. I dont want to lose any of them and will fight for each and everyone. Lay down Sally I am not!

My biggest problem is to figure out why I made almost the same HP as Stacy on the dyno, same dyno same day but 70HP off in the car. Langer said I need to paint it pink and put a tail on it!

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by Bobby DiDomenico

Lynn,

An interesting idea, but on some cars, the scoop assembly is worth more than the 2 barrel version of the entire car. And some won't fit given that every new car looks the same, like a bubble thing. What if we make all new GT cars have working air that they came with? Now that would be COOL!

And count me in on the WORST red light deal. I've been told the fans wouldn't understand it. Heck, there are commentators on TV each week talking about races won or lost on "Reaction time" when in fact what is measured is "car movement time" not the drivers reaction!!

Get me the Stage 2 455 GS legal in Stock and I'm getting you the hood scoops buddy. I know this guy who ran one a few years back and the crowds went wild, seems they didn't know folks raced cars other than Chevys....

Tell me about it Bobby,

The Stage 2 Buicks and the RA-V Pontiacs have every business in stock and Super Stock as the 427 Camaros and the Hemi cars especially the single 4 Hemis, but lets try to stay on subject.

Ram Air for a GT engine that actually came with RAM AIR is a reasonable request.