"WHAT IF" part 4

[X-TECH MAN]

Might go with ONE pound wt breaks instead of 1/2 lb breaks to further reduce the number of classes in both stock and super stock. Have to add a 6 and 7 lb wt break for the GT S/Sers to give the Hemi, T-Bolts, and Hi HP Corvettes some competition. The slight wt. break might work well to combine GT and traditional Super stockers????? Maybe some wt. break for the lower class automatic stockers and super stockers also. The main thing is there are way to many classes. The manufactures cannot pay for class win for all these different classes in this economy. Why do you think that a class win money has been going down and it isnt worth much even at Indy? All would still run the eliminator on Sunday anyway....not just class winners. Just thinking out loud. One question.....How many FWD cars exist today across the country anyway????

[Robert Swartz]

Originally Posted by House of Darts

If you think that it is OK to lump the FWD with the RWD, then lump the Crate Motor cars with the rest of the field as per their index. Let the bitcin' begin.

This would make the most sense to me. IF, the big IF, the crate cars dominate, which I highly suspect they won't , you make adjustments, add weight, move the cars up a class (or two), add HP, which many have suggested. I can guarantee one thing, someone won't be happy!

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Might go with ONE pound wt breaks instead of 1/2 lb breaks to further reduce the number of classes in both stock and super stock. Have to add a 6 and 7 lb wt break for the GT S/Sers to give the Hemi, T-Bolts, and Hi HP Corvettes some competition. The slight wt. break might work well to combine GT and traditional Super stockers????? Maybe some wt. break for the lower class automatic stockers and super stockers also. The main thing is there are way to many classes. The manufactures cannot pay for class win for all these different classes in this economy. Why do you think that a class win money has been going down and it isnt worth much even at Indy? All would still run the eliminator on Sunday anyway....not just class winners. Just thinking out loud. One question.....How many FWD cars exist today across the country anyway????

They already have thier own class index in GT, Crate motors, and the pure stockers but if you notice they run stick and auto together for the same class. There is no seperate stick and automatic class and to cut down the number of classes this might happen with the rest of the classes. Not sure yet though.

Full pound breaks, sticks and autos run together. I think this would make the racing fun. Wish I had my stocker ready.

Let's race!!! Gives me something to work towards.

Robert Swartz

[X-TECH MAN]

I just had a phone call from a good friend Dave and he suggested that the upper classes stayed at 1/2 lb wt breaks down to the 11 lb class (Currently "G") due to the higher HP ratings then go with full lb breaks for the rest (12 on down). Give a wt reduction of about 50 lbs for the automatics from about "M" (14 lbs) on down. Theres all kinds of ways to reduce the number of classes and still be fair. He also said the reason the class win money is low is because of way to many classes. He also suggested a name for the association. What about the AHRA ("Alternative" Hot Rod Association) unless someone still holds the rights to the AHRA name......lol ?

[Robert Swartz]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

I just had a phone call from a good friend Dave and he suggested that the upper classes stayed at 1/2 lb wt breaks down to the 11 lb class (Currently "G") due to the higher HP ratings then go with full lb breaks for the rest (12 on down). Give a wt reduction of about 50 lbs for the automatics from about "M" (14 lbs) on down. Theres all kinds of ways to reduce the number of classes and still be fair. He also said the reason the class win money is low is because of way to many classes. He also suggested a name for the association. What about the AHRA ("Alternative" Hot Rod Association) unless someone still holds the rights to the AHRA name......lol ?

Or maybe that's it. Revive the AHRA under a new brand. That's an interesting question, if someone does still hold the rights to that name? I always thought they had the neatest decal anyway. I had an old AHRA t-shirt, wore that thing till it became nothing but a faded rag, LOL! Still have it in a paper bag upstairs somewhere.

I think that's it, BRING BACK the AHRA!!!!!!

Robert Swartz

[Pistol Pete]

Robert Swartz:

I did forget about the GT Stock, Crate Motor Class & The Pure Stock Classes. My Mistake.

We can add them in too, no problem. But did you get the idea that I was trying to come up with ??

Just trying to lessen the classes. Run Class run offs with less classes, like Jeff Lee said.

How 'bout the entry fee, say it's $160. for arguements sake, take $100. a car & put it towards Class Elim.
Money, the other $60. goes towards the Handicap Elim. Money.
Say your running the A & B Class and 22 cars show up, take the 22 cars times $100. = $2200.
I don't know if you want to pay winner & runner up or what.??? we need help in this area.

The other $60. goes towards the "Handicap Elim". money pay out. if you had 32 total classes x $60.
that comes out to $1920.

Just trying to come up with ideas on a payout system.

What'dya think Terry

Pistol Pete
1374 Stock

[Robert Swartz]

Originally Posted by Pistol Pete

Robert Swartz:

I did forget about the GT Stock, Crate Motor Class & The Pure Stock Classes. My Mistake.

We can add them in too, no problem. But did you get the idea that I was trying to come up with ??

Just trying to lessen the classes. Run Class run offs with less classes, like Jeff Lee said.

How 'bout the entry fee, say it's $160. for arguements sake, take $100. a car & put it towards Class Elim.
Money, the other $60. goes towards the Handicap Elim. Money.
Say your running the A & B Class and 22 cars show up, take the 22 cars times $100. = $2200.
I don't know if you want to pay winner & runner up or what.??? we need help in this area.

The other $60. goes towards the "Handicap Elim". money pay out. if you had 32 total classes x $60.
that comes out to $1920.

Just trying to come up with ideas on a payout system.

What'dya think Terry

Pistol Pete
1374 Stock

Pete,

I get your premse, regarding the lessening of the classes. I agree. I'd blend what both you and Dick Butler propose. Look at the combination of both weight breaks and indexes. Lump the various classes together using those. Go to full pound breaks, then even things out using the indexes. Like Dick Butler said, get people used to larger classes. I remember the large events in the 70's, you'd have a boatload of cars contesting class. I remember local events in the early 70's that it wasn't unusual to have run 3-4 rounds just to get into the eliminator.

It would be a little complicated but just need some homework. The guys doing the initial entry inspections would have a sheet in front of them. As the cars are teched, you'd be assigned a class based on that factoring. That way we'd keep out #HRA designation, just shoe polish your determined time. If we're allowd to dial under for the eliminator. For me that may not be a problem, early on, LOL!

Need to go earn some money today,
Robert Swartz

[Harry 6674]

Did I read in one of the early posts that the races were going to be run with a comp. style CIC? Now I read people talking about shoe polish. Which is it? If you want spectators you have to leave the shoe polish home. IMO

[Frank Bialas]

Originally Posted by Pistol Pete

Robert Swartz:

I did forget about the GT Stock, Crate Motor Class & The Pure Stock Classes. My Mistake.

We can add them in too, no problem. But did you get the idea that I was trying to come up with ??

Just trying to lessen the classes. Run Class run offs with less classes, like Jeff Lee said.

How 'bout the entry fee, say it's $160. for arguements sake, take $100. a car & put it towards Class Elim.
Money, the other $60. goes towards the Handicap Elim. Money.
Say your running the A & B Class and 22 cars show up, take the 22 cars times $100. = $2200.
I don't know if you want to pay winner & runner up or what.??? we need help in this area.

The other $60. goes towards the "Handicap Elim". money pay out. if you had 32 total classes x $60.
that comes out to $1920.

Just trying to come up with ideas on a payout system.

What'dya think Terry

Pistol Pete
1374 Stock

Hey Pete, looks like there's no pie left for the TRACK, don't they get a slice?

[Pistol Pete]

Hey Frank

We'll throw them some beer, courtesy from " The Brew Crew " maybe some salted peanuts if there
nice to us. lol

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by Robert Swartz

Or maybe that's it. Revive the AHRA under a new brand. That's an interesting question, if someone does still hold the rights to that name? I always thought they had the neatest decal anyway. I had an old AHRA t-shirt, wore that thing till it became nothing but a faded rag, LOL! Still have it in a paper bag upstairs somewhere.

I think that's it, BRING BACK the AHRA!!!!!!

Robert Swartz

Robert,

I googled AHRA and as of 2006 they were still in business as an association, racing at only one track....Seattle, we would probably have to pay someone to use that moniker.

I raced in the old AHRA and it always had a family feeling not like the cattle call NHRA.

Jim