Bring back super/mod...

[randy wilson]

Also, on the crank, could limit it to 2 inch rod journal, with a max, .060 undersize. And ring widths, say 1\16, 1\16 3\16. But all of this would require tear down, and that's what I want to avoid. Just some thoughts.

[randy wilson]

I think a weight break for older model cars is way over due. I love clutch cars, but I'm trying to get interest. I think getting brodix, and say, Drag Illustrated pushing this would help.

[Robert Swartz]

Originally Posted by Michael Kilduff

Excellent ideas.

I don't think giving weight breaks for automatics would be in the best interest of the class. I understand you need participation but the thing that would make a class like this unique-and popular-would be higher rpms and manual transmissions.

At our local tracks the only time a significant number of fans show up is for Pro Mod shows or when the Classic Gearjammers are in town.

I think a 50 lb weight reduction for pre 1973 cars would benfit the class as well.

I really doubt the NHRA would have any interest in such a class-look at how long it took them to bring Pro Mod into the program and they still treat those guys/girls like second rate citizens.

A class like this would certainly have to start at the grass roots level, and that won't be easy. If some people really want to do something like this I'm willing to help in any way possible-I'm in South East NC. I've got one car that could fit this bill, just tell me the rules before it gets to the chassis shop this winter.

And I gotta say I am very suprised Doyle Evans hasn't posted in this thread yet. I know he's reading it and has a '67 Vette just itching for a class like this
I

OK, I've read almost all of this, sounds very interesting. Would it work in this day and age? It's not 1977 any longer. Yes, it would need to be a grass roots level class. Tod and I have a car that would be a good candidate for this. Our 79 Firebird crate project. It's far from completed.

What kind of hybrid are we seeking here? Stocker type suspensions with "spec type" engines? Super Stock style suspension with same? Converted bracket cars, that really opens a can of worms.

Just a thought, come up with a basic set of "rules" as a guide. Make it a Class Racer stickey? Then we can bench race and tweak them?

[blkjack]

That ain't gonna fly, that ain't gonna fly
No it didn't work then, and it dont work now
But do or die, I'm gonna try
To enjoy the ride, all the way down

[Doyle Evans]

Mike,

You are spot on! I've read every post.

Bad back, bad knees and everything else. I'd love to go back to a stick. If someone can pull this off - I will travel . I think the fans would love it as much as us racers.

Doyle

Originally Posted by Michael Kilduff

Excellent ideas.

I don't think giving weight breaks for automatics would be in the best interest of the class. I understand you need participation but the thing that would make a class like this unique-and popular-would be higher rpms and manual transmissions.

At our local tracks the only time a significant number of fans show up is for Pro Mod shows or when the Classic Gearjammers are in town.

I think a 50 lb weight reduction for pre 1973 cars would benfit the class as well.

I really doubt the NHRA would have any interest in such a class-look at how long it took them to bring Pro Mod into the program and they still treat those guys/girls like second rate citizens.

A class like this would certainly have to start at the grass roots level, and that won't be easy. If some people really want to do something like this I'm willing to help in any way possible-I'm in South East NC. I've got one car that could fit this bill, just tell me the rules before it gets to the chassis shop this winter.

And I gotta say I am very suprised Doyle Evans hasn't posted in this thread yet. I know he's reading it and has a '67 Vette just itching for a class like this
I

[randy wilson]

It'll never happen. Makes too much sense, and entirely too entertaining, and fun.

[John Leichtamer Jr]

I would like to hear what Mike Keener
thought about this thread.

He was one of the best when it came
to modified racing.


Hammer

[Robert Swartz]

So, what are we talking here.

Are these cars going to required to have full roll cages?

9.0-9.50 lbs - cubic in, max 366

750 cfm carb - whats the FI equivalent? It's a new world, the younger FI guys need to be included?

10.5 tire

stock or "stock type" suspension, minor inboard movement of the rear suspension for tire clearence, no FWD conversions

$500 claim for cylinder heads-let us run whatever head you want, no porting or polishing, welding, port plates, ect, my point, you blow everybody away, if I'm there, your heads are going home with me

Shortblock-stock or steel rods, any compression,stock oiling system, no externals, dry sumps, ect

allow 150lb weight break for automatics-only reason I say this, much as we would all like to see a stick only class, there are more autos out there

Just a few random thoughts on Sunday. I'm off to the track.

[BlueOval Ralph]

This much I can tell you from having lived and breathed Super Modified in the beginning and I am sure FJ and Mike will back this up it was not cheap then and hard to police with the rules then. With all the rules everybody wants do you really think NHRA will support this. When Voeglin proposed the first rules in 1974 it was to be a Heads up Elminator just like the first CarCraft Econo Dragster rules around 1971 or 1972!

Just survey Voeglin Daniels FJ Houser Stevens Ed Wright Fadely
Keener and Merc only ran SM a short time in 75 They were the Kings of D/MP C/MP and E/MP

Originally Posted by John Leichtamer Jr

I would like to hear what Mike Keener
thought about this thread.

He was one of the best when it came
to modified racing.


Hammer

[randy wilson]

Super mod was a great class, I'm sure. It was, and still could be very entertaining. But, it didn't have a $500 cylinder head exchange-claimer. That would surely keep the cost down. I'm like the one guy, you dominate, there will be a fight fight those heads. We have to be realistic, and let existing back-halfed cars in. The claimer head rule, is far better then the claim the whole engine rule, or sealed motors.