Bring back super/mod... - Page 10

randy wilson · 08-17-2012, 02:08 PM

Right. But it's just fun to talk about it.

treessavoy · 08-17-2012, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Okay, lets only have ........ Motor, the idea is that I noted chevy sealed motor was available NOW as a good example. Sorry I am a chevy faithful because I never learned another motor. I focused on Chevy for the availability and one set of parts to understand.
Maybe someone knows another brand of sealed motor to be out there.
In general chevy was more widely distributed in stock and SS and might be a better switch for the cars currently available to use.
Thanks
Div your alternative?

You're a hard core chevy man and expect everyone to accept that yet you're always quick to criticize those of us that love other makes.

As for sealed motors, it's a fallacy that they all make the same hp and they would never live at high rpm's. Engines would have to be built just like we do in Stock but there would have to be strict limits on modifications.

JimR

Dick Butler · 08-17-2012, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treessavoy

You're a hard core chevy man and expect everyone to accept that yet you're always quick to criticize those of us that love other makes.

As for sealed motors, it's a fallacy that they all make the same hp and they would never live at high rpm's. Engines would have to be built just like we do in Stock but there would have to be strict limits on modifications.

JimR

Sorry jim if you are reading in any "criticism". My attempt is to discuss openly Any option out there and if many really think having one of each brand legal can be viable even though it might increase cost of motor for the class, that is great...

Lee Valentine · 08-17-2012, 04:55 PM

Been there done that,was expensive then and would be now. That being said I would do it again.

John Leichtamer Jr · 08-19-2012, 02:05 PM

It would fun but everybody has the wrong
idea about this class.
Make it basic, the head deal is easy, Chevy, Ford , and Mopar
all have a good cast head to work in this class.

All head work would be porting with no welding
or epoxy.
No drysump. no high dollar 5-speeds.
This is a keep the cost down, I know its still
going to cost something but keep it simple.

We all know it will not happen but its fun to
dream about the old modified days.

Most of you have heard of Ernie Price,Div 3 SS/FM
He still lives the dream.

Hammer

Wade Mahaffey · 08-19-2012, 03:27 PM

I'm really enjoying this stuff, It's good therapy for the motivation I need to get back on this Corvette project. I noticed that some want to be closer to the old modified stuff (love it), and some lean toward more affordable sub-modified (love that as well). Great ideas all around, maybe something along the lines of an entry level or Jr. Modified. Cheaper engine programs to draw the budget racers into the mix. And then another class for the next level of more expensive combinations. Grow the class from entry to top level, in order to bring the maximum entries and enhance this class idea. I see that some think it could/would never happen. I am one of those that builds his own cars. I can tell you that all of my personal cars built at my home have been "Best Engineered Award Winners" and that does'nt happen with the mind set of "it will never happen". So keep beating on this idea, work it, mold it, love it, and you might be suprised what could come of it. Keep talking about it and keep moving foward, narrow down the rules package and develope a program. Then offer it up to the tracks and the HRA's.

Wade Mahaffey

Dick Butler · 08-19-2012, 04:06 PM

Need a group of Sons and Daughters of older racers to jump in and express their support and enthusiasm. It can add the racers it would need in the mix. The old guys can afford, can pull out the other motor and enter early. THe Younger group needs to chime in...

randy wilson · 08-19-2012, 08:59 PM

Anything's better then nothing. You could even make it where any motor under 300 C.I. ran 200 cc runners, 301 and up,215, 321 and up 225, 341 and up, 335, just some ideas. But today, it's cheaper running after market 5 speeds, clutch assisted, then to try and make the old gear boxes live. I think by not giving a weight break to a powerglide, might be good, because it would eliminate the auto. Believe me, i'm a clutch guy, but i've been involved with both, and I can't get a powerglide to run with a clutch car.

killintime6968 · 08-19-2012, 11:42 PM

Just thinking. Would not limiting rear gear ratios to rear tire size help limit extra high revs from engines. IE 5.88gears with 32" tire

Todd Bailey · 08-20-2012, 12:33 AM

Nothing against the .90 racers (Those will always be around) but I would MUCH rather watch Super Mod than Top Sportsman or Top Dragster. The fans would LOVE the variety and could really identify with individual cars. My belief is that old Modified racers would come out of the woodwork to somewhat relive their old Modified days. I was just a bit too young to run Modified back in the day but would seriously take a look at doing this. Guess my thoughts are what cars would be allowed to run this. Tubbed cars with 4 links or possibly keeping it similiar to what it was when it began in the late seventies with slapper bars?

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Lee Valentine Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Brookfield, CT Posts: 708 Likes: 13 Liked 319 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Bring back super/mod... Been there done that,was expensive then and would be now. That being said I would do it again. __________________ Lee Valentine 1661 STK

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John Leichtamer Jr Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Orange City Fl Posts: 764 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Bring back super/mod... It would fun but everybody has the wrong idea about this class. Make it basic, the head deal is easy, Chevy, Ford , and Mopar all have a good cast head to work in this class. All head work would be porting with no welding or epoxy. No drysump. no high dollar 5-speeds. This is a keep the cost down, I know its still going to cost something but keep it simple. We all know it will not happen but its fun to dream about the old modified days. Most of you have heard of Ernie Price,Div 3 SS/FM He still lives the dream. Hammer

08-19-2012, 03:27 PM	#96
Wade Mahaffey Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 581 Likes: 0 Liked 18 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Bring back super/mod... I'm really enjoying this stuff, It's good therapy for the motivation I need to get back on this Corvette project. I noticed that some want to be closer to the old modified stuff (love it), and some lean toward more affordable sub-modified (love that as well). Great ideas all around, maybe something along the lines of an entry level or Jr. Modified. Cheaper engine programs to draw the budget racers into the mix. And then another class for the next level of more expensive combinations. Grow the class from entry to top level, in order to bring the maximum entries and enhance this class idea. I see that some think it could/would never happen. I am one of those that builds his own cars. I can tell you that all of my personal cars built at my home have been "Best Engineered Award Winners" and that does'nt happen with the mind set of "it will never happen". So keep beating on this idea, work it, mold it, love it, and you might be suprised what could come of it. Keep talking about it and keep moving foward, narrow down the rules package and develope a program. Then offer it up to the tracks and the HRA's. Wade Mahaffey

08-19-2012, 04:06 PM	#97
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Bring back super/mod... Need a group of Sons and Daughters of older racers to jump in and express their support and enthusiasm. It can add the racers it would need in the mix. The old guys can afford, can pull out the other motor and enter early. THe Younger group needs to chime in...

08-19-2012, 08:59 PM	#98
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Bring back super/mod... Anything's better then nothing. You could even make it where any motor under 300 C.I. ran 200 cc runners, 301 and up,215, 321 and up 225, 341 and up, 335, just some ideas. But today, it's cheaper running after market 5 speeds, clutch assisted, then to try and make the old gear boxes live. I think by not giving a weight break to a powerglide, might be good, because it would eliminate the auto. Believe me, i'm a clutch guy, but i've been involved with both, and I can't get a powerglide to run with a clutch car. __________________ don,t have one

08-19-2012, 11:42 PM	#99
killintime6968 Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Whitecourt,Alberta,Canada Posts: 236 Likes: 4,655 Liked 91 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Bring back super/mod... Just thinking. Would not limiting rear gear ratios to rear tire size help limit extra high revs from engines. IE 5.88gears with 32" tire

08-20-2012, 12:33 AM	#100
Todd Bailey Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 312 Likes: 30 Liked 33 Times in 17 Posts	Re: Bring back super/mod... Nothing against the .90 racers (Those will always be around) but I would MUCH rather watch Super Mod than Top Sportsman or Top Dragster. The fans would LOVE the variety and could really identify with individual cars. My belief is that old Modified racers would come out of the woodwork to somewhat relive their old Modified days. I was just a bit too young to run Modified back in the day but would seriously take a look at doing this. Guess my thoughts are what cars would be allowed to run this. Tubbed cars with 4 links or possibly keeping it similiar to what it was when it began in the late seventies with slapper bars?