What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation?

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by NewHemi

I never said that the cars were "properly factored" from the start.
I did say that a car that started a couple of months ago at 305 HP and now is 348HP would indicate that, at least in the case of the 5.7 DP Challenger would indicate that AHFS works a little.

And unless you know a way to turn back the clock, I don't think all of the whining and complaining is going to change the initial factors one bit.

And I absolutely agreed, and even told you about talks that were held clear back last year about getting these cars into, and that the best thing was for these cars to be put into their own class.

Back to the tip of what iceberg? As for complaining about cars and factors that haven't even been released yet, what good is that? What can you base your complaints about those yet to be produced and factored cars upon? Do you just assume that the NHRA is out to screw you, or do you have inside info on the factors there? If you have specifics, let's talk about it. If not, then why don't we wait until there is some pain, before we start bleeding.

Back to the basics of the discussion.

Should these cars be in a separate class? YES!

I have agreed on literally every one of your truly salient points.

Although I may not agree that I was somehow disingenuous in my attitude about this situation. I still don't think anything is going to change just by complaining about it. I even tried by having talks behind the scenes with parties involved, and that hasn't done a lot of good lately. So how will whining publicly change it?

So what good has the poll, or all of this talk done?

Let me know when it really does more than just make you feel better to get it off your chest. And if that is all it does, then just keep doing what you need to do.

David
The New Hemi Guy

Well, you are backing off your "it is working" to "works a little." But this is from your previous post. "So, for those who were thinking it would take too long to get the auto hp system to work, you were wrong at least on the Drag Paks." It has taken too long and they are not there, yet. And only one of them (the 5.7) is within sight.

What good is complaining about cars that haven't been released yet? We were complaining about these before they were released and guess what, we were right. The cars are going to be released and they are not Stock Eliminator cars! They are Factory Experimental Cars! Until they get them in the proper class then the complaints are justified. I know you agree that they should be in their own class, but you don't think I have the right to complain about their current categorization then you are flat wrong.

What do I base the complaints on? Refer back to the previous paragraph and the fact that these motors are cherry picked parts from the perfomance catalog and not from ANY car that has been registered for the street. Factory experiments.

NHRA out to screw me? Don't know about that, but they sure put their interests before the sportsmen. Can you show any differently? I don't have any inside info on the factors, but they have repeatedly factored these combos so low it is comical. There is a pattern if you haven't noticed.

Why wait? You know the pain is there until they are put in their own class (which is about to happen). You keep asking why I have a problem with these future combos without know the HP factor. The HP factor isn't the real problem. The real problem is that these are not Stock cars, they are experiments and there is no way in Hades that a stock combo can compete with Comp Eliminator pieces or power adders with any amount of money, time, and development. There are physics involved here.

How does "whining" as you call it do any good. Don't fool yourself into thinking we are in a vacuum here with our comments. The public comments in these forums do make their way back to Glendora and they do help the cause.

It may be before your internet time, but there was a popular forum called Home Theater.com. At that time there was a product introduced by Circuit City called DIVX. This was a competing format to the newly introduced DVDs. Basically, DIVX was more leasing the movies where DVDs were ownership. The choices were fine since many people would watch a movie maybe once or twice which would make the DIVX format much more cost effective. No problem with choices, so what's the rub?

Well....Circuit City had lobbied the studios not to release their movies on DVD and only do it on DIVX. Disney agreed to Circuit City's pressure and would only release their movies on this pay per view format. This was about the time that Lion King was coming out. Can you imagine how many times your kid or grandkid would want to watch a partial movie of Lion King? Pony up $4.95 for the first 48 hours and then $3 for every 48 hour time slot after that. This would have been a huge money maker for DIVX and the studios! Warner Bros wouldn't cave into Circuit City along with a couple of others, but the majority of the studios could see how this would be a gold mine.

Back to the public "whining." The studios would monitor this website in order to get the "pulse" of the general public about DIVX. The hard core enthusiast were on this website like they are here (see a pattern?). We hammered Circuit City and it was having an effect. CC started putting plants (DIVX employees) on the website to make it appear that DIVX wasn't so bad and there was a lot of support for the format. Problem was that we had a plant of our own within DIVX and we knew what was they were doing. Slowly, but surely we exposed each of the plants on the forums. They studios could see the true feeling of the buying public and started releasing their titles on both formats. That was all we asked. Just give us the choice to buy or lease.

It didn't take long for the DIVX format to fail because nobody really liked the idea of variable costs vs. fixed costs for your movie library. The DIVX fiasco cost CC over a billion dollars to shut down. Continuing bad decisions put them into bankruptcy.

This was about 15 years ago. You have to believe that companies realize that the internet can potentially break you if you are not careful. So this public "whining" that you discount is not discounted by these companies or even the NHRA.

Don