CJ engine options and HP ratings.

[Charley Downing]

Alan do you even race stk? You should really spend more time working on your race car. If you spent as much time working on you race car as you did posting on class racer you would not haft to worry about the CJ's.

[Sean Cour]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

I am not at all opposed to OEM participation, in fact, the opposite is true.

But I am diametrically opposed to NHRA and OEM's blatantly, obviously, and intentionally screwing everyone who does not buy one of the new cars. The class cannot stand it, and the racers cannot afford it.

And no, this is not "just like the original factory wars", because in this case NHRA is a knowing and willing accomplice colluding to screw over anyone not willing and able to just pony up for a brand new factory Stock Eliminator class killer. And in this economy, that is the vast majority of racers, because the vast majority could never afford to to it, even if they could sell their current car, which they can't, because even without the market being flooded, cars aren't selling, unless they're nearly given away, and a lot of them aren't selling even then. Imagine what cars would be worth if a large segment of racers began trying to sell them in order to build these new killer cars, if they could, or wanted to.

Alan-

Racers that are already competing in these "new" car classes, are already vested deep with the car they already own. If you were wanting to build a '69 Camaro for AA, A, or B, you would already know that to run with guys like Sorensen, Richard, Defrank, Shaul, to name a few, you would have to realize that you're going to spend over a $80,000 to field this car. This number might be light, unless you're going to do alot of the work yourself.
So the new car prices are not entirely out of line for a very fast, high class car. IMO

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Alan do you even race stk? You should really spend more time working on your race car. If you spent as much time working on you race car as you did posting on class racer you would not haft to worry about the CJ's.

Charlie, I'm sitting a season or two out, the car I drove last year was sold early this year, as the owner couldn't afford to keep two cars racing, even with me spending a little money on both cars. Doesn't mean I'm not working on a race car, or working towards another car for myself. I spent yesterday evening working on the AA car. Maybe you should learn more about me before you assume you know what I'm talking about or where I'm coming from. It doesn't matter how much I work on the AA car, it can't hope to run with the new cars. It doesn't stop me from working on a new engine, I was working on it this week. But no matter what I do to it, it can't run 9.20 in A trim or 9.0 in AA trim, at least not legally. If you spent nearly as much time trying to find out how it really works as you do trying to tell me what I do or don't know, you'd be able to offer a good argument. Just so you know, last year I ran at Bristol, Bowling Green twice, and Reynolds.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Sean Cour

Alan-

Racers that are already competing in these "new" car classes, are already vested deep with the car they already own. If you were wanting to build a '69 Camaro for AA, A, or B, you would already know that to run with guys like Sorensen, Richard, Defrank, Shaul, to name a few, you would have to realize that you're going to spend over a $80,000 to field this car. This number might be light, unless you're going to do alot of the work yourself.
So the new car prices are not entirely out of line for a very fast, high class car. IMO

Sean,
I work on a AA car already, I know exactly what it costs, right down to the last penny. I work on nearly every single piece on the car. I don't do the body work, and I don't build the carburetor, although I can do either.

Thanks for making my point for me. Because the expensive AA Camaro I work on can't possibly hope to compete with the new cars. Even Sorenson can't run with them.

It's not that the prices are out of line for what you could have bought or paid to build one of the older cars. It's that the older cars are now unable to compete, so all of those cars lost some value, and can't compete against the new cars in a heads up race.

[Chad Mahlosky]

I am 29 years old, and still consider myself a young man. I started at 12 years old in a jr. dragster, then straight to super pro, and now to stock. I have a G/SA Nova, but mostly due to time and money, stay very close to home when it comes to racing. I spent my own money buying this grandma car, turning it into a stocker, and racing the thing unsupported by anyone. For a 1972 Nova, its a rust free, no bondo, cream puff. Then you have racer X, Y, or Z. He goes out, buys a 2010 CJ, and spends an assload of money and now he automatically shoots to the top of the ladder. I will walk by that car, may even mention that I think it looks decent. However at the end of the day, I have an admiration for the guy that did himself, who can work on the car without his engine builder there, and doesn't need to call his injector specialists between runs to know what tune he should be running. How does that guy think he or his car is cool??? I wouldn't bat an eye to take Greg Hill's car, Larry Hills(even in pink), Arnetts camaro, or Craddick car that Alan works on in heartbeat over one of those things. If dad didn't like this **** so much, I would stick to strickly nostalgia races, because those people have a great time doing it. Almost like what I used to have when I started stocker racing.

[Alan Roehrich]

Chad, you have a good car, and you're a good driver, guys like you are the future of Stock and Super Stock.

Also, Kevin Cradduck and I appreciate your comments on the orange AA/SA 69 Camaro. We hope to be faster next year, I am working on our program this winter. We're hunting a problem that has plagued us all year, while I'm also looking at places to find power, and get it to the ground. No, we cannot run with the Challengers or the CJ's, but we are not quitters.

[Ray Scardelli]

Kenny, have you seen the rest of the specs. for these engines, ie: head castings, cam lift/duration, crank material, etc.? I checked NHRA, but they don't have these listed yet.

[Ken Miele]

Ray,

Nothing has been released yet as far as specs go, if I get any advanced info I will let you know.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by 69Cobra

Yeah you're talking about a speed shop that make the dyno read what ever they want by a stroke of a few keys. Look customer your car came in making 500 hp and now it makes 600 hp and all we did was change the tune (and the DA on the dyno) and look we made you 100 hp more. BTW here's your bill for $1,000 have a good day.

That is a Dynojet dyno, you can't screw with the numbers as much as you seem to think. You can Mustang dynos, and some others, but no big changes with a Dynojet. The times those car run, that dyno is pretty close if not dead nuts. I don't think you should try to taint that shop's rep that way. They aren't known for that kind of crap.

[69Cobra]

Man you guys need to relax. I was trying to make a funny but you guy take everything to heart. I know Big Jimmy and Little Jimmy and they are straight up guys I respect what the they do for the Ford community. My point to all of this was to dyno every combo and factor them accordingly. Now everybody is bitching about the cj's but I wonder if the 396 combos and the LS combos were dyno'd in front of the world just how far off their factored hp would be from real world. Now I know that there's not a chevy guy out there that has the balls to run there combo all out -1.3ish under and then take it straight to the dyno for the world to see just how far off their factored hp is from their real world. So you guys just keep bitching cuz thats the easiest thing to do. Merry Christmas everyone.