Wheelie Bars are not needed for Safety on Stockers!

[Hagen Gary]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Sir, I can assure you that no one on the board is envious of anything you have or have achieved in your life. It is you that demonstrates envy and frustration on a regular basis.

It's fine with us if you offer your thoughts but they mean nothing since you are not racing in our classes. You can go out to the track and risk flipping over your bracket cars all you want but the majority of us have more sense than you.

X2

Really weird how the non Stock racers (including NHRA management) have one opinion, and pretty much everyone racing a Stocker has a different. Have we heard from 1 single C and up stocker that says they don't need them for safety? I know for a fact that you need to get big block first gen Camaros on the bumper for it to hook every time. Wheelie bars are for safely launching a higher class stocker. Not bracket junk like the 1320 experts. These guys have zero clue about a stocker but hey, they know everything about racing, down to every foot of the drag strip.

[Bruce Noland]

Ed 1320 using wheelie bars that are not NEEDED?

http://classracer.com/classforum/alb...pictureid=5265

[cutta]

I think some of you are missing the point here. The argument is not whether stockers can control wheel stands without wheelie bars, the argument is whether or not it is safer, more cost friendly, and damage preventative to have wheelie bars?

I don't think anyone here believes that you can't control wheelstands without wheelie bars but most want to protect themselves from the risk of damaging there cars. With the drag racing community already being down, why would anyone want to risk damaging their cars by not running wheelie bars. We had our first uncontrollable wheelstand in our bracket car a few weeks ago and with us being on a budget, we are already considering wheelie bars for safety and to help control the car in unpredictable circumstances. Replacing parts is expensive and I don't see how anyone could suggest running without them with the only justification being "Its more stock appearing" or "saying their sissy sticks". Notches should be allowed to accommodate that in my opinion.

[1320racer]

Originally Posted by Signman

Ed,
For credibility sake why not jump in?

Because I want to race every week. Because I'm not going to take 3-4 days off from work to be told I have to park 1/2 mile away in some muddy field that I'll need to be towed out of if it rains while I sit waiting to run at a moments notice on a track that is either too cold or not prepped properly. Because I do/can race for more $ every week. Because I'm not going to spend $100K+ on a state of the art purpose built class car to run on tracks that are worse then one would find on a test/tune day. Because I refuse to be treated like the filler and also ran that you class racers are. Because I'm not going to tear my junk down so they can look for some minor infraction while the NHRA KNOWS most every stock eliminator competitor is running with heads/manifolds that have been ported. Because I'm not going to sticker my car up only to have to beg some manufactures for contingency money. Because you and some of your competitors think what you do is special while WE know you too are bracket racing and just paying more for the nhra class racing experience.

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Because I want to race every week. Because I'm not going to take 3-4 days off from work to be told I have to park 1/2 mile away in some muddy field that I'll need to be towed out of if it rains while I sit waiting to run at a moments notice on a track that is either too cold or not prepped properly. Because I do/can race for more $ every week. Because I'm not going to spend $100K+ on a state of the art purpose built class car to run on tracks that are worse then one would find on a test/tune day. Because I refuse to be treated like the filler and also ran that you class racers are. Because I'm not going to tear my junk down so they can look for some minor infraction while the NHRA KNOWS most every stock eliminator competitor is running with heads/manifolds that have been ported. Because I'm not going to sticker my car up only to have to beg some manufactures for contingency money. Because you and some of your competitors think what you do is special while WE know you too are bracket racing!

Certainly all good points ..........But then explain why you are hanging out here with diehard class racers who in your opinion must be nuts .If you're just here trying to pee on our Wheaties it won't be long till you suffer the same fate as you did on other boards ...........

[sammy pizzolato]

every time i take the wheelie bars off i do DAMAGE! costley damage.and it is a safety factor end of story. if i did not need them i would not have them cuz i don't want to carry the weight.and yes i could make my car not stand up BUT with the bad starting lines i dont want to take that chance.one time at a IHRA race at red river raceway Larry and Patsey hill can back me up on this one.i went 288ft on the rear wheels and had to get out of it cuz it was about to blow over.so no i don't need notches (but) they need to allow them.

[1320racer]

jack, belive it or not, not everyone that posts and lurks here is a stock/super stock racer. I post here offering first hand advice where I can and my opinion on other subjects no different than anyone else. No where did I see in the rules for this forum that it was required that all posters must be an active stock/super stock racers.

That said, this is ken's playground and if he wants to stop me from posting 1st hand advice and as well my opinion on various commentaries because it doesn't conform to what those with higher posts counts feel, that's his choice.

The truth and the facts are what they are despite those that refuse to believe or agree!

[Michael Beard]

Should've taken the bars off at Coastal Plains. Might've given Alan Farmer's Dart a run for his money. 'Course Alan hurt the car after coming down from a massive wheelstand.

[Signman]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Because I want to race every week. Because I'm not going to take 3-4 days off from work to be told I have to park 1/2 mile away in some muddy field that I'll need to be towed out of if it rains while I sit waiting to run at a moments notice on a track that is either too cold or not prepped properly. Because I do/can race for more $ every week. Because I'm not going to spend $100K+ on a state of the art purpose built class car to run on tracks that are worse then one would find on a test/tune day. Because I refuse to be treated like the filler and also ran that you class racers are. Because I'm not going to tear my junk down so they can look for some minor infraction while the NHRA KNOWS most every stock eliminator competitor is running with heads/manifolds that have been ported. Because I'm not going to sticker my car up only to have to beg some manufactures for contingency money. Because you and some of your competitors think what you do is special while WE know you too are bracket racing and just paying more for the nhra class racing experience.

Jumped right on that like a bass on a June Bug Didn't Ya!
The Bracket Finals is run like a points race and you would not miss that!

Much of what you state is only partially true.
Just point of view and experience. How ever limited.

[1320racer]

EVERYTHING I stated is TRUE and some of your competitors have told me so, competitors that have been doing this far longer than you. Since you don't compete at every divisional or national event, your experience is limitied!

Without question the bracket final is another nhra circus event that I and many others have grown tired of too.