Wheelie Bars are not needed for Safety on Stockers!

[Signman]

Ed,
You are beating a dead horse.
For years on message boards you have shared what worked for you and have gotten the same responses. Your head must hurt beating it against the wall.
From the point of view of class racers, you've never jumped in just ran a couple of cars that may have been stock or super stock legal other than engine and trans. Have some friends who are or have been class racers. Never ran either of those cars at a division or national event to experience the track conditions which are not the same as a bracket race at the same facility.
For credibility sake why not jump in?
Other than that you are stirring the pot, contributing nothing the original OP issue. But it is fun!

[Bruce Noland]

Ed 1320 using wheelie bars that are not NEEDED?

http://classracer.com/classforum/alb...pictureid=5265

[cutta]

I think some of you are missing the point here. The argument is not whether stockers can control wheel stands without wheelie bars, the argument is whether or not it is safer, more cost friendly, and damage preventative to have wheelie bars?

I don't think anyone here believes that you can't control wheelstands without wheelie bars but most want to protect themselves from the risk of damaging there cars. With the drag racing community already being down, why would anyone want to risk damaging their cars by not running wheelie bars. We had our first uncontrollable wheelstand in our bracket car a few weeks ago and with us being on a budget, we are already considering wheelie bars for safety and to help control the car in unpredictable circumstances. Replacing parts is expensive and I don't see how anyone could suggest running without them with the only justification being "Its more stock appearing" or "saying their sissy sticks". Notches should be allowed to accommodate that in my opinion.

[sammy pizzolato]

every time i take the wheelie bars off i do DAMAGE! costley damage.and it is a safety factor end of story. if i did not need them i would not have them cuz i don't want to carry the weight.and yes i could make my car not stand up BUT with the bad starting lines i dont want to take that chance.one time at a IHRA race at red river raceway Larry and Patsey hill can back me up on this one.i went 288ft on the rear wheels and had to get out of it cuz it was about to blow over.so no i don't need notches (but) they need to allow them.

[Michael Beard]

Should've taken the bars off at Coastal Plains. Might've given Alan Farmer's Dart a run for his money. 'Course Alan hurt the car after coming down from a massive wheelstand.

[Dan Fahey]

If this were the 80's maybe.

Wheelie Bars took some of the Stock out of Stock.

But they are definitely cool, in fact modernized upper Stock Classes.

Since the 80's 9.99 was the hot lap.
Today 8.90's are the hot laps.

It is what it has to be !
NHRA cannot go back on it because it is about safety.

D

[1320racer]

It is not about safety, it's all about wheelies are cool, exciting to do and watch.

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

Should've taken the bars off at Coastal Plains. Might've given Alan Farmer's Dart a run for his money. 'Course Alan hurt the car after coming down from a massive wheelstand.

Michael, any damage to that car is the result of Alan's decision to run it that way. There was no good reason for him to be on the bumper every pass!

BTW, I've broken my wheelie bars twice to date. Removed them, tightened up my front shock extension and went from a wheelie in the photo to none at all

[1320racer]

Originally Posted by Signman

Ed,
For credibility sake why not jump in?

Because I want to race every week. Because I'm not going to take 3-4 days off from work to be told I have to park 1/2 mile away in some muddy field that I'll need to be towed out of if it rains while I sit waiting to run at a moments notice on a track that is either too cold or not prepped properly. Because I do/can race for more $ every week. Because I'm not going to spend $100K+ on a state of the art purpose built class car to run on tracks that are worse then one would find on a test/tune day. Because I refuse to be treated like the filler and also ran that you class racers are. Because I'm not going to tear my junk down so they can look for some minor infraction while the NHRA KNOWS most every stock eliminator competitor is running with heads/manifolds that have been ported. Because I'm not going to sticker my car up only to have to beg some manufactures for contingency money. Because you and some of your competitors think what you do is special while WE know you too are bracket racing and just paying more for the nhra class racing experience.

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Because I want to race every week. Because I'm not going to take 3-4 days off from work to be told I have to park 1/2 mile away in some muddy field that I'll need to be towed out of if it rains while I sit waiting to run at a moments notice on a track that is either too cold or not prepped properly. Because I do/can race for more $ every week. Because I'm not going to spend $100K+ on a state of the art purpose built class car to run on tracks that are worse then one would find on a test/tune day. Because I refuse to be treated like the filler and also ran that you class racers are. Because I'm not going to tear my junk down so they can look for some minor infraction while the NHRA KNOWS most every stock eliminator competitor is running with heads/manifolds that have been ported. Because I'm not going to sticker my car up only to have to beg some manufactures for contingency money. Because you and some of your competitors think what you do is special while WE know you too are bracket racing!

Certainly all good points ..........But then explain why you are hanging out here with diehard class racers who in your opinion must be nuts .If you're just here trying to pee on our Wheaties it won't be long till you suffer the same fate as you did on other boards ...........

[1320racer]

jack, belive it or not, not everyone that posts and lurks here is a stock/super stock racer. I post here offering first hand advice where I can and my opinion on other subjects no different than anyone else. No where did I see in the rules for this forum that it was required that all posters must be an active stock/super stock racers.

That said, this is ken's playground and if he wants to stop me from posting 1st hand advice and as well my opinion on various commentaries because it doesn't conform to what those with higher posts counts feel, that's his choice.

The truth and the facts are what they are despite those that refuse to believe or agree!