Car classification guide Gen5 and Gen6 Camaro

[dragracerray]

I was just thinking if I was 25 again and I had a newer Camaro with a V6 how could I race it in Stock Eliminator? So I went to the classification guide and it shows the COPO's but none of the V6's in Gen5 or Gen6. These V6's are around 300 HP! Am I missing something? If someone wanted to race one of these Camaros how would they do it? Or more importantly how could Billy do it?
Are the newer Chrysler and Ford V6's in the same situation?

Happy Thanksgiving! Ray

[Dyno]

A racer would need to contact the manufacturer and request the specifications be sent to NHRA. If there is interest in a combination it could make it in the guide. If it’s not in the guide, the car doesn’t exist.

[dragracerray]

Thanks Dyno. I am in a unique situation being that I work for GM so I will contact Chevrolet. I hope by Mopar and Ford buddies will do the same with their V6's. To me this is one of the most obvious on ramps of a young person to Stock Eliminator. Happy Thanksgiving! Ray

[bsimms89]

Originally Posted by dragracerray

Thanks Dyno. I am in a unique situation being that I work for GM so I will contact Chevrolet. I hope by Mopar and Ford buddies will do the same with their V6's. To me this is one of the most obvious on ramps of a young person to Stock Eliminator. Happy Thanksgiving! Ray

I've had a similar thought about some new combinations not listed. The camaro has the 2010 SS with the 376 @ 400hp listed. Since 2010-2013 were identical bodies someone could claim any of these years to be a 2010, but they do not have the convertibles in the class guide. The 2010 automatic SS coupe is listed as a shipping weight of 3,780lbs, a convertible would be 4,120lbs putting it into completely different classes. They would just have to add it as a 2011, 2012, or 2013, the engine specs would be identical to the 2010 coupe already in the class guide, they would just need the shipping weight info. They have a 2012 copo convertible in the class guide, but not an ss convertible anywhere.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by bsimms89

I've had a similar thought about some new combinations not listed. The camaro has the 2010 SS with the 376 @ 400hp listed. Since 2010-2013 were identical bodies someone could claim any of these years to be a 2010, but they do not have the convertibles in the class guide. The 2010 automatic SS coupe is listed as a shipping weight of 3,780lbs, a convertible would be 4,120lbs putting it into completely different classes. They would just have to add it as a 2011, 2012, or 2013, the engine specs would be identical to the 2010 coupe already in the class guide, they would just need the shipping weight info. They have a 2012 copo convertible in the class guide, but not an ss convertible anywhere.

In 2010 I purchased a BIW Camaro from Chevrolet. I forget who the engineer was that they put me with, but he wanted zero input from me. So, what I got was a combination that is not correct and nobody has built to date. I can tell you for a fact that a zero option Gen 5 Camaro SS is not that heavy. The head CC is also wrong.

I spoke with Chevrolet about convertibles on several occasions and was told flat out that they did not want to add them. The same goes for the 2014-15 Z28 and later Corvettes.

[bsimms89]

Originally Posted by GUMP

In 2010 I purchased a BIW Camaro from Chevrolet. I forget who the engineer was that they put me with, but he wanted zero input from me. So, what I got was a combination that is not correct and nobody has built to date. I can tell you for a fact that a zero option Gen 5 Camaro SS is not that heavy. The head CC is also wrong.

I spoke with Chevrolet about convertibles on several occasions and was told flat out that they did not want to add them. The same goes for the 2014-15 Z28 and later Corvettes.

That’s a shame, I have a 2012 convertible and have toyed with the idea of building it into a stocker and running my COPO in superstock, didn’t think it’d be that hard to get it added to the guide since all the engine specs are there already for the coupe, they literally would just have to give them the shipping weight

[Larry Hill]

When the 10k was offered for AA/S I started looking for cars to fit the class. After a few phone calls I decided a 5.3 Shelby would fit nicely. Problem, the cars not in the guide. I contacted NHRA and found out that the manufacturer never submitted the specifications to NHRA and that is the reason some cars are not in the guide.

[dragracerray]

Thanks Larry. Seems to me there is nothing to loose to get the manufacturers to submit the specs. If that Shelby was submitted you would be building a car right now. I would suggest we as a community try to get specs for all cars submitted to NHRA.
While I am at it are there other Chevrolets that are not in the guide that I should request? Ray

[GUMP]

Ray,

You have a PM.

[Billy Nees]

Ya know, where would S/SS be today if back in the "old days" the manufacturers and NHRA would have supported only their top shelf, High Performance/ Race packages?
There wouldn't BE a S/SS today.
There were WAY more 283/220 Biscaynes built than 427/425 ones and I have to wonder what the ratio of 350/255s to 396/375s might be?
I know that it will never happen but it would be nice if a "forward-thinking" NHRA official or two would try and put together an affordable (for lack of a better term) Junior Stock program using the Under Classmen of Stock. Maybe N/S and down and the FWD stuff (you know, the "cheap" stuff) which, if supported correctly, could become the now nonexistent "entry level" class.