Ford CJ's and Mopar DP's NHRA is now on the case

[dwydendorf]

Originally Posted by treessavoy

Back to the actual thread:

I find it interesting that they are hitting the Mopar's with HP but no mention of the CJ's which are running as much as one second faster than the other cars in the same class.

History, and the NHRA, repeats itself. In the '70's the NHRA legislated the Hemi out of Pro Stock but left the Fords and Chevy's alone, now it looks like the NHRA is once again zero'd in on Mopar's but not the bogus Fords.

You Ford guy's should look at NASCAR history. Bill France decided the Hemi's were too fast so he outlawed them with a stroke of a pen and the NHRA did the same thing in the '70's.

Why aren't the Fords getting hp? When the Fords first came out everyone was yelling the roof off about how they were too fast and would ruin Stock racing but now the Mopar's are getting the hp and all the bitchin while the Ford's continue to make AA/SA, A/SA their own little play ground.

Before all you Ford guy's bust on me, remember, I think both cars should be in SS just like the '68 Hemi car's.


JimR

Just to add fuel to the fire: I think if the Thunderbolt's are allowed in stock then the '65 A990 Hemi Mopar's should be allowed to run in AA/SA.

NHRA is not picking on the Mopars but is instead implementing the AHFS at the 1.25 seconds under the index just the way it was set up. The Fords that went 1.25 under got the 3.25% horsepower just like the mopars did. Go back and check your facts before you cry foul. The 1 second under is a trigger for the 6 month review but 1.25 under is an automatic 3.25% the next working day after any event.

[B Aceves]

None of this crap will work guy's , They are going to look for the easiest,cheapest,no man power way to do something, Danny states that it has to be a Perfect world to get any type of HP info on any car now so what makes you think they are going to add any new combos anymore unless the factory is involved to give them a Bogus HP ??

[FED 387]

Regarding the CJ & DP cars they are either classed wrong or the HP ratings are no- where near realistic---Think of it this way even if they sandbag ,the POTENTIAL POWER is there to stay ahead of a similiarly classed car that IS NOT either a CJ or DP while racing in any race--They also because of the Bogus HP or Class classification have the POTENTIAL to be quicker than another car that is PROPERLY HP rated or class classified--We are not comparing apples to apples here but we ARE comparing apples to oranges. Unless or until the HP ratings AND/OR the class designations are corrected this inequality will continue to exist. They currently have an unfair advantage that is not available to ANY other car that is not EITHER a CJ or DP and it is not going to easily correct itself. I love the fact that the factories have chosen to get involved in both Stock & Super Stock again but it must be on a level playing field which it currently is not--Now rumor has it that NHRA is taking/going to take a look at the current situation but do not look for any Corrections/Remedies whatever until after Pomona this year... My K/sa car is nowhere near a 1.25-1.50 under car much less a 1.00 car and because of this inequity it is parked other than for my own testing and hopefully improving on my combo--Comp387

[dwydendorf]

I think that NHRA is still hurting from the Pro Stock Truck lawsuit and may be reluctant to place horsepower factors arbitrarily on the Fords and Mopars and that is why they are using the AHFS to place the horsepower factors where they are. The system is flawed but it is the one that is in place. While some of you think that they should be more aggressive, I think they are protecting they own rear. While most of you don't think the changes come fast enough at least they are looking at making the system more responsive and fair. I have said right along that the AHFS is the problem but it took the CJ's and Drag Pak cars to show how flawed the system really is.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

I think that NHRA is still hurting from the Pro Stock Truck lawsuit and may be reluctant to place horsepower factors arbitrarily on the Fords and Mopars and that is why they are using the AHFS to place the horsepower factors where they are. The system is flawed but it is the one that is in place. While some of you think that they should be more aggressive, I think they are protecting they own rear. While most of you don't think the changes come fast enough at least they are looking at making the system more responsive and fair. I have said right along that the AHFS is the problem but it took the CJ's and Drag Pak cars to show how flawed the system really is.

The DPs/CJs HP factor and Pro Stock Truck issue is apples and oranges.The only thing in common is stupidity on their part.

[BlueOval Ralph]

In a perfect world we wound't have to deal with the like's of Danny & his Parriot Bruce!

Danny states that it has to be a Perfect world to get any type of HP info on any car now so what makes you think they are going to add any new combos anymore unless the factory is involved to give them a Bogus HP ??

[Smitty]

Are the factors on the DP and CJ cars off? Yes, they are off. My question to all the stock eliminator racers is this; do you only go to the races to win class or do you go to win the event? I'm sure Nitro Joe has enough stats on how many DP and CJ cars have prevented the original Detroit Muscle from winning races this year. Everyone is complaining about the CJ's and DP's, what about the number one qualifier in stock from Indy? Really, how many of you who compete in AA/S(A) thru D/S(A) have been denied a race win because of the new cars? The last time I checked class wins was not what determined who the national champion was.
So I guess you guess don't like Jimmy Defrank becuase I believe he owns new Mustang and a 69 Camaro.

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Are the factors on the DP and CJ cars off? Yes, they are off. My question to all the stock eliminator racers is this; do you only go to the races to win class or do you go to win the event? I'm sure Nitro Joe has enough stats on how many DP and CJ cars have prevented the original Detroit Muscle from winning races this year. Everyone is complaining about the CJ's and DP's, what about the number one qualifier in stock from Indy? Really, how many of you who compete in AA/S(A) thru D/S(A) have been denied a race win because of the new cars? The last time I checked class wins was not what determined who the national champion was.
So I guess you guess don't like Jimmy Defrank becuase I believe he owns new Mustang and a 69 Camaro.

There were a couple of instances of the new cars sending well tuned top notch cars home early at Indy this year. Doug Duell sent John Shaul home comes to mind. Why limit it to D/S(A). The Drag Paks go down to H I believe and the new combos coming out can start at the bottom to cause havoc all the way up.

Speaking of National Champions. I wonder how former World Champion Lee Zane feels right now about not qualifying at Indy due to the new cars pushing him down the sheet. I guess it got his attention enough to join them with DeFrank's car.

[Bobby Zlatkin]

How about like NASCAR does;

Impound a car at a race, then put it on a dyno instead of all this ***** footing around.

No argument with the results.

[Chris1529]

just bring in a rear wheel dyno to the track.