Ford CJ's and Mopar DP's NHRA is now on the case

[Alex Denysenko]

http://www.competitionplus.com/drag-...ocksuper-stock

[Alan Roehrich]

Well, I guess that's something. They used the excuse that it has happened before. The problem with that is that they didn't learn anything from it. They also brought up the 275HP LT-1 that they say is now at 325HP. That's 50HP over a period of 12-14 years. The one Drag Pack car has gotten near 40HP in a month or so, and that's great, I guess. But how far off does that tell you they are? The problem is, it has happened before, so they should be capable of seeing it coming, and doing something about it quickly.

While I can appreciate what they propose to do, add higher HP penalties for extreme cases, there's a huge hole in their process. They say they accept the ratings the OEM's give them. Now, GM, with the LT-1 got over them in the nineties. Now, Mopar and Ford have gotten over them repeatedly since 2008. How long does that go on? We're obviously going to be seeing new engines and new package cars for at least a while. How long is NHRA going to allow OEM's to get over on them, and thereby, get over on the racers? GM did it with the LT-1 years ago, I guess, and now Ford and Mopar have had their revenge. Now that all of the "big three" have gotten over on NHRA and the racers, isn't it time to stop this permanently?

NHRA has been there before, they've let this happen before. What does it say about them if they just continually allow it to happen? They could have already put the cars in their own class just as they did the fuel injected cars a few years ago. It's not like they've never seen anything like this before, nor is it like they've not had any experience fixing it. So, you have to wonder why they let it happen again. At least you do if you don't really know why.

[Mike Fuller]

After reading this article I still feel the best way to deal with these cars is to put them in a FX class. There is too many ways to get around the AHFS. If the drivers of these cars wanted to they could milk these HP ratings for 4-5 more years.

Another aspect of the whole situation is that the rule book states stock cars are"factory production assembled,showroom available,and in the hands of the general public. These cars do not follow those guidlines. We can still make everyone happy with the FX classes. The Factories will be more than happy to advertise these cars as "Factory race cars". It would probably draw a bigger customer and collector base.

[Billy Pires]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

They also brought up the 275HP LT-1 that they say is now at 325HP. That's 50HP over a period of 12-14 years.

I think what they meant was they adjusted to rating from 275 to 325 in one shot. it wasn't a gradual thing. The LT1 rating is 346 now. The FX classes seems like a good idea if they use 1 lb weight breaks like the FI classes were.

[Ed Wright]

Yes, but pull a low mileage LT1 and put it on an engine dyno, and you will find they don't make anywhere near 346 hp. I think some of that performance is a more efficient car.
I'd just about bet money on a 360" DP making close to 375.

[Jeff Lee]

Good article. Once a new AHFS scale is adapted then the CJ & DP teams will have to further reduce the throttle blade angle with the computer controlled TPS.

[Andys dad]

They are going to have a new heads up eliminator for the new cars (only) - with weight breaks depending on induction and cubic inch.

It will be a qualified 16 or 32 car field like Pro-Stock

The question is who do you think they are going to get rid of?

Have a very nice day


LOL


:-) peace

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Andys dad

They are going to have a new heads up eliminator for the new cars (only) - with weight breaks depending on induction and cubic inch.

It will be a qualified 16 or 32 car field like Pro-Stock

The question is who do you think they are going to get rid of?

Have a very nice day


LOL


:-) peace

sounds like a great Comp Eliminator class

[Greg Hill]

Not one place in that article was there any thing about getting input from stock and super stock racers to fix this problem. With the prior bad judgment of the tech department letting these cars run in stock and super stock with the bogus hp ratings they have why would anyone think they are going to fix the problem? What happens when Ford and Chrysler change the specs a little for the new model years and give them even more bogus hp numbers?

There are lots of stock and super stock racers that knew how bogus these cars were as soon as they saw the specs and compared them to the older cars. If we knew why didn't NHRA know? Also that BS about not hitting any combination with hp before it ran is total crap. The 403 Olds motor that Al Provost use to run was hit with 90 hp before it ever sat foot on the track. I think it went from 190 to 280. Also almost all the old cars with SAE net hp ratings were re-factored before they ran. Yep the LT1's and LS!'s were bogus as well, but you have to remember Pontiac and GMC were the official cars and trucks for NHRA. That didn't make it right and a lot of racers quit because of those cars.

These cars need to be in their own classes in Stock and need to be re-factored for SS. My God that Ford 352 that's in the guide at 285 for SS has 230cc intake runners with a 1000 cfm throttle body and 11 1/2 to 1 compression.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

Not one place in that article was there any thing about getting input from stock and super stock racers to fix this problem. With the prior bad judgment of the tech department letting these cars run in stock and super stock with the bogus hp ratings they have why would anyone think they are going to fix the problem? What happens when Ford and Chrysler change the specs a little for the new model years and give them even more bogus hp numbers?

There are lots of stock and super stock racers that knew how bogus these cars were as soon as they saw the specs and compared them to the older cars. If we knew why didn't NHRA know? Also that BS about not hitting any combination with hp before it ran is total crap. The 403 Olds motor that Al Provost use to run was hit with 90 hp before it ever sat foot on the track. I think it went from 190 to 280. Also almost all the old cars with SAE net hp ratings were re-factored before they ran. Yep the LT1's and LS!'s were bogus as well, but you have to remember Pontiac and GMC were the official cars and trucks for NHRA. That didn't make it right and a lot of racers quit because of those cars.

These cars need to be in their own classes in Stock and need to be re-factored for SS. My God that Ford 352 that's in the guide at 285 for SS has 230cc intake runners with a 1000 cfm throttle body and 11 1/2 to 1 compression.

Quote by D.Gracia:
“At Reading, Pa., we are going to meet with some of the other people on the (Stock and Super Stock) committee,” Gracia said. “We’re going to brainstorm some of this and try to figure out what direction we will go with this, what makes more sense. The other thing that is very important that folks out there need to understand is not one person in this department can make that decision of what horsepower is going to be used. It has to go through the NHRA Stock and Super Stock committee.”

Greg,maybe you missed this?None the less it seems the S/SS committee is there just for NHRA to use the way they feel to justify any decisions they make.I think the guys really work to get changes but in the end it's the old in one ear out the other with any input they suggest.I just signed a survey circulated by our rep,Kent Hanley, about the new cars.I hope they at least consider the results.I'm not holding my breath though.