And you thought air/ electrical shifters in stockers was ?..

[Cglrcng]

Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY

That may be your opinion, BUT Farmer, Red, and Marty Barret are all rolling over in their graves today ?..

Not an opinion...black writing on white pages...see 11A Ground Clearance, it says see General Regulations 4.5 see that and it is again black writing on white pages. (Currently legal), tomorrow who knows. It was once not legal to install a fuel cell in my car...it is these days, so I did. It does not take lawyering the rules...just reading them and keeping up with allowed changes. I was not pushing any boundaries just going with allowances published.

My head combustion chambers are avg. 50.5 cc's each instead of the 48.0 min cc's (first head milling), leaving legal room for future improvement. That is (2.5 cc x 4), total 10 cc's more room for
air, lower c.r....does that hurt or help me? All I know is when it comes off the test stand it will pass. (We cc'd that head twice back here after I paid add'l. for it to be cc'd. by the head work masters in Peachtree, GA that did the machine work),

Not pushing any envelopes intentionally, just so if ever torn down it will be found
nothing but legal.

All this controversy over nothing but a legal protrusion under the car (not attached in any way to the body, but the frame underhood). If I take the blade off, you will be studying the 3 other items between bumper tip and tire under there and really will not know which target to go for in the future.

The electronics is a definite (having just tested at the spring Fling I know it is is definitely not a footbraker's world by any stretch of the imagination these days), yes I won a round .002, lost a round that we both were .017, fired off a whole host of .030-.037's that were winners and losers...But the amount of perfect, .00x to teens fired off by most made it a test only of the new ecu system and a pure really expensive bucket list item for me. Those electronics allowed makes heroes out of usual zeroes and usual heroes even better. I went some rounds, and visited the buyback window too...I simply did not belong, but I also had a blast .002 and a winslip footbraking against that kind of company in a slowest than ever Stocker is flat out fun if you flat out love bracket racing!
Am I competitive over the 8 or more rounds it takes to win the yuuuuge bigly check?...hell no unless the drag racing angels are on your shoulder all day and all night long...and right as darkness set in the first night (just as it was getting to my personal best part if the day, they shut it all off as the track was too cold to run the fast cars), ruining my 3rd round best chance to move on, transferring it to an even earlier AM continuation and combining 2 30K races into a 60K giving me and all others 1 less though 1 twice as big chance to shine. (Paid in advance to race 3 x 30K, actually raced 1 30K, and a 60K due to weather). No crying there, we were having too much fun.

They guy that ended my very first Fling went trip zip and ⁸/thou total pkg on me. I was racing him to the last fraction o$ an inch, not knowing that the millisecond he left and as I was watching his green come on that my .032 was *unless he made a gigantic error or mistake in the next 660' I was pretty much mathematically already eliminated. I heard it on the radio just after his win light came on...deflation was instant, but cruised the pits and found him and helped him celebrate his first ever trip zip 8thou pkg in a 60K race. I then packed up and moved on the morning of the Million I was not wastsing another 2K or more on.

1 bucket list race checked off...at least until I build a purpose built electronics laden down bracket car with everything the modern world of technology has to offer in it at least. (And I mean everything Matt Biondo and others have to offer)...because while we class racers keep them dialing honest, they have all the power adders and electronic gizmos and gadgets you can imagine in those rocketships.

That playing field is so tilted it will stand you on your head. Is there some of that in our category? My money says there may be a little bit, but on the average, the lights say nowhere near it. And for those that do..it is only a matter of time before spot checks and a deeper look will catch it. It just won't be me, as I really enjoy doing things the harder more challenging way.

I am nowhere near as good as I once was, but I am as good once or twice as I ever was...now just to string a few more rounds together at one time...luck has to also come for a ride.

You may see me beam breaker on or off, we shall see...but it is a legal aid as long as 4.5 Gen. Regs and 11A points to 4.5.

I did not write the rules just abiding by the publication of them as they stand right now, to my benefit or not...thinking more not to my benefit lately...but, if you are looking at my front bumper in the lanes instead of the top end charge, you may just have missed that .00x to teens I just dropped on you 5-6 seconds ago.

Ahhh, it could have been a .030-.089, depends on who it is and how you look like you feel that day. (It could also have been red if I allow pure muscle memory to take over and just did not get my front tire pressure and coffee/soda combo just right). John Irving is right on correct, I will win more w/ .030's than reds by thousandths in a very slow car...must have a fighting chance leaving first. Just in my blood to attempt to steal the tree if I can. Pack it up in the hatchback if I could. Not afraid of a redeye though, the chances we take. You keep looking under my bumper.

[Mark Yacavone]

MJ, You asked for that one ... LOL

[Cglrcng]

Yes he did Mark.

1320 video on YouTube about compressed air boosting by Ryan Mitchell in KC Max using very new technology, just running race gas and using compressed air cylinders for super boosting without turbos or blowers or nitrous. Down to 30 degree intake air temps (too cold to even keep methanol lit so he switched to pure race gas), and that innovator and extreme tester just started with the new tech. It is very fast.

Once the new shifter rule goes onto effect they will need to run more checks.

[Frank Bialas]

https://classracer.com/classforum/pi...pictureid=1908 who got the win? front dam/spoiler on camaro plus a little brake waalaa, clearly my wheel is on stripe

[Cglrcng]

Originally Posted by Frank Bialas

https://classracer.com/classforum/pi...pictureid=1908 who got the win? front dam/spoiler on camaro plus a little brake waalaa, clearly my wheel is on stripe

Who got the win on the slip Frank?

[Cglrcng]

The problem was noted earlier, we do not race wheel to wheel (all different circumference sizes of wheels are used), we race beam to beam spaced 1,320' apart start beam is 3" off the ground, finish line beam is 6" off the ground. The multiple categories and
classes and many, many types of cars is
the reason. And on that day in this time
The published ruleset and NHRA
decisions stand. They change the rule, a wrench, 2 nuts and bolts and a cable tether unscrewed and the blade is removed. No crying here personally but a lot of cars will need to be otherwise unaltered in S/SS. Beyond a few...lots of em.

It is a fake advantage (meaning there is zero advantage), that has outlived its
usefulness. A crutch I certainly do not need to walk or run, and is time to go back to making us both guess which part of my car will break that beam 6" high...bumper, air dam spoiler 1, air dam deflector 2, or tire. (All in Stock locations as mfg.d and 0", 4", 14", & 28" apart under my cars front end), depending on my last 1300' plus move(s). Right now with it there I don't have any affect no matter what I choose to do.

Sometimes you get what you ask for.

[Frank Bialas]

Originally Posted by Cglrcng

Who got the win on the slip Frank?

The camaro,I couldn't believe it , I knew it was close but I also knew that I was out front.What stinks is I was told to tuck my wire in that was for a parking lamp in my bumper!?!?

[Cglrcng]

Originally Posted by Frank Bialas

The camaro,I couldn't believe it , I knew it was close but I also knew that I was out front.What stinks is I was told to tuck my wire in that was for a parking lamp in my bumper!?!?

I knew that by the finish line photo, but wanted to confirm it by asking. We race from a dead even start by front tires, and the finish is determined by a beam much higher and a million variations of front ends at the stripe, and a whole host of last move variables that are determined by both drivers due to that beam height difference.

His car in the photo is way out in front of your tires. And he already broke the stripe beam. Ty for confirming the photo view.

[Cglrcng]

Except it is there, and there is zero performance advantage. You have no need to ask when it is specified right there as allowed with minimal restrictions. Behind the leading edge of the body or bumper and 3" off the ground..."beam breaker" is specifically spelled out...See General Regulations 4.5

Done arguing, so many have the additions, the few that do not are here, the rest are silent because they have used them for years. I am just fairly 1 yr. now new to the use. I will switch it to a Tow hook. It will be more useful and a bit less controversial.

Most allofem have those in 1 fashion or another. It takes very little to break that 6" high finish line beam and we all do so each pass to the end we achieve 1320' runs. Some are just using 13" rims. My combo came with 14's (I use M.T. 20" tall X 14" X 6" wide FWD slicks, less than a 6" X 5" contact patch at 35.5 psi and a 2" tall sidewall at that pressure, and gives small tire a new meaning), and that (using a smaller than stock sized rim), is spelled out do not do.

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by Cglrcng

Not an opinion...black writing on white pages...see 11A Ground Clearance, it says see General Regulations 4.5 see that and it is again black writing on white pages. (Currently legal), tomorrow who knows. It was once not legal to install a fuel cell in my car...it is these days, so I did. It does not take lawyering the rules...just reading them and keeping up with allowed changes. I was not pushing any boundaries just going with allowances published.

My head combustion chambers are avg. 50.5 cc's each instead of the 48.0 min cc's (first head milling), leaving legal room for future improvement. That is (2.5 cc x 4), total 10 cc's more room for
air, lower c.r....does that hurt or help me? All I know is when it comes off the test stand it will pass. (We cc'd that head twice back here after I paid add'l. for it to be cc'd. by the head work masters in Peachtree, GA that did the machine work),

Not pushing any envelopes intentionally, just so if ever torn down it will be found
nothing but legal.

All this controversy over nothing but a legal protrusion under the car (not attached in any way to the body, but the frame underhood). If I take the blade off, you will be studying the 3 other items between bumper tip and tire under there and really will not know which target to go for in the future.

The electronics is a definite (having just tested at the spring Fling I know it is is definitely not a footbraker's world by any stretch of the imagination these days), yes I won a round .002, lost a round that we both were .017, fired off a whole host of .030-.037's that were winners and losers...But the amount of perfect, .00x to teens fired off by most made it a test only of the new ecu system and a pure really expensive bucket list item for me. Those electronics allowed makes heroes out of usual zeroes and usual heroes even better. I went some rounds, and visited the buyback window too...I simply did not belong, but I also had a blast .002 and a winslip footbraking against that kind of company in a slowest than ever Stocker is flat out fun if you flat out love bracket racing!
Am I competitive over the 8 or more rounds it takes to win the yuuuuge bigly check?...hell no unless the drag racing angels are on your shoulder all day and all night long...and right as darkness set in the first night (just as it was getting to my personal best part if the day, they shut it all off as the track was too cold to run the fast cars), ruining my 3rd round best chance to move on, transferring it to an even earlier AM continuation and combining 2 30K races into a 60K giving me and all others 1 less though 1 twice as big chance to shine. (Paid in advance to race 3 x 30K, actually raced 1 30K, and a 60K due to weather). No crying there, we were having too much fun.

They guy that ended my very first Fling went trip zip and ⁸/thou total pkg on me. I was racing him to the last fraction o$ an inch, not knowing that the millisecond he left and as I was watching his green come on that my .032 was *unless he made a gigantic error or mistake in the next 660' I was pretty much mathematically already eliminated. I heard it on the radio just after his win light came on...deflation was instant, but cruised the pits and found him and helped him celebrate his first ever trip zip 8thou pkg in a 60K race. I then packed up and moved on the morning of the Million I was not wastsing another 2K or more on.

1 bucket list race checked off...at least until I build a purpose built electronics laden down bracket car with everything the modern world of technology has to offer in it at least. (And I mean everything Matt Biondo and others have to offer)...because while we class racers keep them dialing honest, they have all the power adders and electronic gizmos and gadgets you can imagine in those rocketships.

That playing field is so tilted it will stand you on your head. Is there some of that in our category? My money says there may be a little bit, but on the average, the lights say nowhere near it. And for those that do..it is only a matter of time before spot checks and a deeper look will catch it. It just won't be me, as I really enjoy doing things the harder more challenging way.

I am nowhere near as good as I once was, but I am as good once or twice as I ever was...now just to string a few more rounds together at one time...luck has to also come for a ride.

You may see me beam breaker on or off, we shall see...but it is a legal aid as long as 4.5 Gen. Regs and 11A points to 4.5.

I did not write the rules just abiding by the publication of them as they stand right now, to my benefit or not...thinking more not to my benefit lately...but, if you are looking at my front bumper in the lanes instead of the top end charge, you may just have missed that .00x to teens I just dropped on you 5-6 seconds ago.

Ahhh, it could have been a .030-.089, depends on who it is and how you look like you feel that day. (It could also have been red if I allow pure muscle memory to take over and just did not get my front tire pressure and coffee/soda combo just right). John Irving is right on correct, I will win more w/ .030's than reds by thousandths in a very slow car...must have a fighting chance leaving first. Just in my blood to attempt to steal the tree if I can. Pack it up in the hatchback if I could. Not afraid of a redeye though, the chances we take. You keep looking under my bumper.

Well look here ..Beam Breakers are ILLEGAL !!! Imagine that…..Anxiously awaiting your reply Mr. Lucier