Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser

Frank Castros · 09-10-2024, 11:32 AM

You willingness to cheat to win displays a total lack of integrity and says much about your character as a man.

1320racer · 09-10-2024, 11:35 AM

As previously stated...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

No doubt, because you're incapable to winning straight up.

You can say the same about many of your heros and competitors

Larry Hill · 09-10-2024, 11:35 AM

My disappointment is with the punishment or lack of.

1320racer · 09-10-2024, 11:41 AM

why?

The NHRA fined them as they saw fit, docked them points and changed the pulley size. Racing goes on!!

But

1. It doesn't effect you.
2. you don't race that class.
3. you have no say in how the NHRA conducts business.

There are no victims here only willing participants.

That said, I've learned long ago that we are here for a good time, not a long time and I'm not going to waste my time, my life trying to change things I think are wrong, especially if it doesn't effect me directly!

James Perrone · 09-10-2024, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer

why?

The NHRA fined them as they saw fit, docked them points and changed the pulley size. Racing goes on!!

But

1. It doesn't effect you.
2. you don't race that class.
3. you have no say in how the NHRA conducts business.

There are no victims here only willing participants.

That said, I've learned long ago that we are here for a good time, not a long time and I'm not going to waste my time, my life trying to change things I think are wrong, especially if it doesn't effect me directly!

Yes this does affect us
Nhra has gotten soft as they explained that there not looking to throw out people
Here?s the problem Ed
Rule is rules they should be followed
The old standard was you got some time off for blatant illegal offenses
6 months to one year
Nhra is not policing at that standard anymore
So is the same standard for us common folks ?
Who pay professional engine builders to make sure we are good
The factory on x and shootout classes are sportsman classes
I feel bad for anyone who lost to these cars that were caught
Carry on

1320racer · 09-10-2024, 02:17 PM

James, while I agree with your comments about the NHRA, we'll agree to disagree that this particular rules infraction in this class and NHRA's response to it, effects you.

That said, I don't feel bad for anyone that lost to these guys/cars, as I stated, there are no victims here only willing participants. Do you think the next time they are in the opposite lane anyone of their competitors is going to refuse to run them? The answer is not one!

Mike Gray · 09-10-2024, 03:06 PM

I'm more confused, did they make larger pulleys or just claim the wrong engine?
Both are wrong and is not a gray area but cheating. One can be "oops used wrong note" the other is blatant in your face cheating to win and deserves a much harsher penalty.

NHRA Technical Specifications
For
2019 Chevrolet Motors

Issued: 1/26/19 PC
Revised: 2/14/19 PC 1/1/20 PC, 2/12/2020, 1/1/21, 2/12/2020, 1/5/2021, 4/23/21, 6/29/2021, 12/3/21, 12/16/21, 9/18/22, 1/1/2023

HP Disp C.R. Ind. Make Model/Transmission Manifold R.R. Lifter Head Notes

600 350 12.50 Supercharged Magnuson 60-02-00-015 1.80 H/R 66.0 2,3,6,7,A

630 350 12.50 Supercharged Magnuson 60-02-00-015 1.90 S/R 66.0 2,4,6,7,A

Notes

3 = Supercharged Magnuson pn# 50-00-26-002 3.350 inch pulley, lower pulley 8.00, jackshaft pulley 32 teeth, rotor pulley 34 teeth

4 = Supercharged Magnuson pn# 50-00-26-002 3.350 inch pulley, lower pulley 8.00, jackshaft pulley 34 teeth, rotor pulley 32 teeth

onefarmer · 09-10-2024, 04:10 PM

Had a larger than normal 32 teeth rear sprocket. When I saw all the other copo cars have a totally enclosed rear belt guard this year we figured something was fishy. And it was on way more cars than got caught, and from two different engine suppliers. I have to remind myself more than once that when I'm complaining about anything at the track I am complaining about privilege problems. What ALL those guys did is not what we would expect fellow sportsman to do in our eyes, but this does not make them evil people. Yeah I would liked to have seen much harsher out come but that's for more of my own selfishness reasons. I'm I gonna walk over and do the normal small talk as before with these guys? I hope I can keep taking the high road "which apparently is the one less traveled" but time will tell. The black eye on the ones who got caught and the ones who did not is by far worse than the $2500 and 100 points. Judgement by our peers is not nearly as important than judgement from the man above. We all can always strive to better at everything we do in life. Hopefully these classes can move on from this, as I think the FX cars are the coolest thing going, but that's just my 2cents. There will only be 4 us racing at Maple grove this weekend so if your there please stop by the pits and check them out. We will be parked bottom of the hill from the staging lanes on the left.

L.Fite · 09-10-2024, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Gray

I'm more confused, did they make larger pulleys or just claim the wrong engine?
Both are wrong and is not a gray area but cheating. One can be "oops used wrong note" the other is blatant in your face cheating to win and deserves a much harsher penalty.

NHRA Technical Specifications
For
2019 Chevrolet Motors

Issued: 1/26/19 PC
Revised: 2/14/19 PC 1/1/20 PC, 2/12/2020, 1/1/21, 2/12/2020, 1/5/2021, 4/23/21, 6/29/2021, 12/3/21, 12/16/21, 9/18/22, 1/1/2023

HP Disp C.R. Ind. Make Model/Transmission Manifold R.R. Lifter Head Notes

600 350 12.50 Supercharged Magnuson 60-02-00-015 1.80 H/R 66.0 2,3,6,7,A

630 350 12.50 Supercharged Magnuson 60-02-00-015 1.90 S/R 66.0 2,4,6,7,A

Notes

3 = Supercharged Magnuson pn# 50-00-26-002 3.350 inch pulley, lower pulley 8.00, jackshaft pulley 32 teeth, rotor pulley 34 teeth

4 = Supercharged Magnuson pn# 50-00-26-002 3.350 inch pulley, lower pulley 8.00, jackshaft pulley 34 teeth, rotor pulley 32 teeth

Not knowing anything about those combos...
I'm a little confused now...

SSDA Hemi · 09-10-2024, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Do you think the next time they are in the opposite lane anyone of their competitors is going to refuse to run them? The answer is not one!

Wrong Ed. Geoff Turk/ Alex Laughlin is one.

This went on for a year and a half and clearly an NHRA tech mishandling of the situation which affects all of us. Why they chose to save face now is anyones guess. Seeing the lack of integrity displayed by too many racers and NHRA's refusal to enforce the rules , I do believe in what Geoff did. United we stand, divided we fall. The only thing NHRA seems to care about is their wallet

09-10-2024, 11:32 AM	#1
Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 2,973 Likes: 2,586 Liked 2,723 Times in 960 Posts	Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser You willingness to cheat to win displays a total lack of integrity and says much about your character as a man.

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09-10-2024, 11:41 AM	#4
1320racer VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,628 Likes: 160 Liked 759 Times in 379 Posts	Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser why? The NHRA fined them as they saw fit, docked them points and changed the pulley size. Racing goes on!! But 1. It doesn't effect you. 2. you don't race that class. 3. you have no say in how the NHRA conducts business. There are no victims here only willing participants. That said, I've learned long ago that we are here for a good time, not a long time and I'm not going to waste my time, my life trying to change things I think are wrong, especially if it doesn't effect me directly! Last edited by 1320racer; 09-10-2024 at 11:50 AM.

09-10-2024, 02:17 PM	#6
1320racer VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,628 Likes: 160 Liked 759 Times in 379 Posts	Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser James, while I agree with your comments about the NHRA, we'll agree to disagree that this particular rules infraction in this class and NHRA's response to it, effects you. That said, I don't feel bad for anyone that lost to these guys/cars, as I stated, there are no victims here only willing participants. Do you think the next time they are in the opposite lane anyone of their competitors is going to refuse to run them? The answer is not one! Last edited by 1320racer; 09-10-2024 at 02:22 PM.

09-10-2024, 03:06 PM	#7
Mike Gray Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 615 Likes: 311 Liked 685 Times in 196 Posts	Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser I'm more confused, did they make larger pulleys or just claim the wrong engine? Both are wrong and is not a gray area but cheating. One can be "oops used wrong note" the other is blatant in your face cheating to win and deserves a much harsher penalty. NHRA Technical Specifications For 2019 Chevrolet Motors Issued: 1/26/19 PC Revised: 2/14/19 PC 1/1/20 PC, 2/12/2020, 1/1/21, 2/12/2020, 1/5/2021, 4/23/21, 6/29/2021, 12/3/21, 12/16/21, 9/18/22, 1/1/2023 HP Disp C.R. Ind. Make Model/Transmission Manifold R.R. Lifter Head Notes 600 350 12.50 Supercharged Magnuson 60-02-00-015 1.80 H/R 66.0 2,3,6,7,A 630 350 12.50 Supercharged Magnuson 60-02-00-015 1.90 S/R 66.0 2,4,6,7,A Notes 3 = Supercharged Magnuson pn# 50-00-26-002 3.350 inch pulley, lower pulley 8.00, jackshaft pulley 32 teeth, rotor pulley 34 teeth 4 = Supercharged Magnuson pn# 50-00-26-002 3.350 inch pulley, lower pulley 8.00, jackshaft pulley 34 teeth, rotor pulley 32 teeth __________________ Mike 7570 A/SA Last edited by Mike Gray; 09-10-2024 at 03:15 PM.

09-10-2024, 04:10 PM	#8
onefarmer Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: PA Posts: 50 Likes: 131 Liked 148 Times in 34 Posts	Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser Had a larger than normal 32 teeth rear sprocket. When I saw all the other copo cars have a totally enclosed rear belt guard this year we figured something was fishy. And it was on way more cars than got caught, and from two different engine suppliers. I have to remind myself more than once that when I'm complaining about anything at the track I am complaining about privilege problems. What ALL those guys did is not what we would expect fellow sportsman to do in our eyes, but this does not make them evil people. Yeah I would liked to have seen much harsher out come but that's for more of my own selfishness reasons. I'm I gonna walk over and do the normal small talk as before with these guys? I hope I can keep taking the high road "which apparently is the one less traveled" but time will tell. The black eye on the ones who got caught and the ones who did not is by far worse than the $2500 and 100 points. Judgement by our peers is not nearly as important than judgement from the man above. We all can always strive to better at everything we do in life. Hopefully these classes can move on from this, as I think the FX cars are the coolest thing going, but that's just my 2cents. There will only be 4 us racing at Maple grove this weekend so if your there please stop by the pits and check them out. We will be parked bottom of the hill from the staging lanes on the left. __________________ FX L177, FSS L177 STK L177 Lenny Lottig MMPS 77