Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser

Mike Gray · 09-10-2024, 03:06 PM

I'm more confused, did they make larger pulleys or just claim the wrong engine?
Both are wrong and is not a gray area but cheating. One can be "oops used wrong note" the other is blatant in your face cheating to win and deserves a much harsher penalty.

NHRA Technical Specifications
For
2019 Chevrolet Motors

Issued: 1/26/19 PC
Revised: 2/14/19 PC 1/1/20 PC, 2/12/2020, 1/1/21, 2/12/2020, 1/5/2021, 4/23/21, 6/29/2021, 12/3/21, 12/16/21, 9/18/22, 1/1/2023

HP Disp C.R. Ind. Make Model/Transmission Manifold R.R. Lifter Head Notes

600 350 12.50 Supercharged Magnuson 60-02-00-015 1.80 H/R 66.0 2,3,6,7,A

630 350 12.50 Supercharged Magnuson 60-02-00-015 1.90 S/R 66.0 2,4,6,7,A

Notes

3 = Supercharged Magnuson pn# 50-00-26-002 3.350 inch pulley, lower pulley 8.00, jackshaft pulley 32 teeth, rotor pulley 34 teeth

4 = Supercharged Magnuson pn# 50-00-26-002 3.350 inch pulley, lower pulley 8.00, jackshaft pulley 34 teeth, rotor pulley 32 teeth

onefarmer · 09-10-2024, 04:10 PM

Had a larger than normal 32 teeth rear sprocket. When I saw all the other copo cars have a totally enclosed rear belt guard this year we figured something was fishy. And it was on way more cars than got caught, and from two different engine suppliers. I have to remind myself more than once that when I'm complaining about anything at the track I am complaining about privilege problems. What ALL those guys did is not what we would expect fellow sportsman to do in our eyes, but this does not make them evil people. Yeah I would liked to have seen much harsher out come but that's for more of my own selfishness reasons. I'm I gonna walk over and do the normal small talk as before with these guys? I hope I can keep taking the high road "which apparently is the one less traveled" but time will tell. The black eye on the ones who got caught and the ones who did not is by far worse than the $2500 and 100 points. Judgement by our peers is not nearly as important than judgement from the man above. We all can always strive to better at everything we do in life. Hopefully these classes can move on from this, as I think the FX cars are the coolest thing going, but that's just my 2cents. There will only be 4 us racing at Maple grove this weekend so if your there please stop by the pits and check them out. We will be parked bottom of the hill from the staging lanes on the left.

L.Fite · 09-10-2024, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Gray

I'm more confused, did they make larger pulleys or just claim the wrong engine?
Both are wrong and is not a gray area but cheating. One can be "oops used wrong note" the other is blatant in your face cheating to win and deserves a much harsher penalty.

NHRA Technical Specifications
For
2019 Chevrolet Motors

Issued: 1/26/19 PC
Revised: 2/14/19 PC 1/1/20 PC, 2/12/2020, 1/1/21, 2/12/2020, 1/5/2021, 4/23/21, 6/29/2021, 12/3/21, 12/16/21, 9/18/22, 1/1/2023

HP Disp C.R. Ind. Make Model/Transmission Manifold R.R. Lifter Head Notes

600 350 12.50 Supercharged Magnuson 60-02-00-015 1.80 H/R 66.0 2,3,6,7,A

630 350 12.50 Supercharged Magnuson 60-02-00-015 1.90 S/R 66.0 2,4,6,7,A

Notes

3 = Supercharged Magnuson pn# 50-00-26-002 3.350 inch pulley, lower pulley 8.00, jackshaft pulley 32 teeth, rotor pulley 34 teeth

4 = Supercharged Magnuson pn# 50-00-26-002 3.350 inch pulley, lower pulley 8.00, jackshaft pulley 34 teeth, rotor pulley 32 teeth

Not knowing anything about those combos...
I'm a little confused now...

63corvette · 09-10-2024, 06:37 PM

I have watched this thread and I am amazed at several of the opinions expressed.
In my opinion which is just that an opinion, anyone who cheats knowingly just for advantage trying to win fame and fortune has a basic character flaw.
I also can not believe NHRA did not come down much harder on those caught as discussed in this thread.
That says a great deal about NHRA management?s character also.
I currently believe there is cheating going on in all of the sportsmen categories and NHRA does not seem to care.
I also think safety has been compromised since tech seems to no longer exist.
I just competed at an unnamed Division Race and witnessed several blatant safety violations in the staging lanes as we prepared to run.
One competitor made a pass in a roadster without a head and neck restraint, neck collar, head sock, or helmet drape. Another made a pass with the parachute attachment to the car dangling down behind the body.
Both of those things were easily spotted by many in the lanes.
Both should have been required by the rules in the rule book.
I am just very disappointed in NHRA for many reasons currently.
Just my 2 cents.
Rick Cates
Canyon TX

1legjerry · 09-10-2024, 06:51 PM

I suspect because NHRA changed the rule right after they got caught, there is way more to the story and we will likely never know unless someone spills the beans from 1 of the stanfield cars. My guess is in 30 days the fines will be lifted and the points deduction will stay.

Maybe, a big Maybe someone forgot to update the rules and let everyone know at the first of the year. again maybe.

JP1738 · 09-11-2024, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 63corvette

I have watched this thread and I am amazed at several of the opinions expressed.
In my opinion which is just that an opinion, anyone who cheats knowingly just for advantage trying to win fame and fortune has a basic character flaw.
I also can not believe NHRA did not come down much harder on those caught as discussed in this thread.
That says a great deal about NHRA management?s character also.
I currently believe there is cheating going on in all of the sportsmen categories and NHRA does not seem to care.
I also think safety has been compromised since tech seems to no longer exist.
I just competed at an unnamed Division Race and witnessed several blatant safety violations in the staging lanes as we prepared to run.
One competitor made a pass in a roadster without a head and neck restraint, neck collar, head sock, or helmet drape. Another made a pass with the parachute attachment to the car dangling down behind the body.
Both of those things were easily spotted by many in the lanes.
Both should have been required by the rules in the rule book.
I am just very disappointed in NHRA for many reasons currently.
Just my 2 cents.
Rick Cates
Canyon TX

Was the roadster 150mph+? If not, a hans is not required I don't think

Dan Bennett · 09-11-2024, 03:50 PM

One thing I haven't seen mentioned in this mess is the outsized influence the manufacturers have.

While racing in Pro Stock and PST, I saw serious pressure campaigns a lot. Some from chassis builders, some from the OEMs. All were for changes that weren't needed and didn't make sense other than to certain parties.

I saw the same thing in Stock and Super Stock. The one that sticks in my mind was an over 30 year old letter being "found" allowing certain models to run hood scoops that never happened on the production line. I was heavy into restoration at the time, a tremendous amount of research was going on, and nothing was found to prove it ever happened. Until those letters appeared.

Harley decided they wanted to go drag racing with an engine that was not - and could not - be competitive. I never saw the exact amount, but for enough money, they bought the class and were allowed to bring something totally different which was not available to other competitors.

So I'm not sure at all, but it's entirely possible in my mind that a "we're not going to spend money if we can't win" campaign was put into place and somebody agreed just to not look at certain parts. I can't blame GM solely for this since I knew of all the manufacturers making that statement at one time or another in various classes. Why did they now look? No idea. Maybe more money was asked for and the parties are now not happy with each other.

I almost feel guilty at slamming the NHRA twice in one day. Almost.

63corvette · 09-11-2024, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP1738

Was the roadster 150mph+? If so, a hans is not required I don't think

Yes it was and by the rule book a head and neck restraint was required. A neck collar would have made it less obvious.
He had none of the requirements.
I was amazed he was allowed to make a pass and the car with the parachute attachment loop was very obvious to anyone from behind.
I could not believe it.
Just my observation.
Rick Cates
Canyon TX

09-10-2024, 03:06 PM	#1
Mike Gray Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 615 Likes: 310 Liked 685 Times in 196 Posts	Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser I'm more confused, did they make larger pulleys or just claim the wrong engine? Both are wrong and is not a gray area but cheating. One can be "oops used wrong note" the other is blatant in your face cheating to win and deserves a much harsher penalty. NHRA Technical Specifications For 2019 Chevrolet Motors Issued: 1/26/19 PC Revised: 2/14/19 PC 1/1/20 PC, 2/12/2020, 1/1/21, 2/12/2020, 1/5/2021, 4/23/21, 6/29/2021, 12/3/21, 12/16/21, 9/18/22, 1/1/2023 HP Disp C.R. Ind. Make Model/Transmission Manifold R.R. Lifter Head Notes 600 350 12.50 Supercharged Magnuson 60-02-00-015 1.80 H/R 66.0 2,3,6,7,A 630 350 12.50 Supercharged Magnuson 60-02-00-015 1.90 S/R 66.0 2,4,6,7,A Notes 3 = Supercharged Magnuson pn# 50-00-26-002 3.350 inch pulley, lower pulley 8.00, jackshaft pulley 32 teeth, rotor pulley 34 teeth 4 = Supercharged Magnuson pn# 50-00-26-002 3.350 inch pulley, lower pulley 8.00, jackshaft pulley 34 teeth, rotor pulley 32 teeth __________________ Mike 7570 A/SA Last edited by Mike Gray; 09-10-2024 at 03:15 PM.

09-10-2024, 04:10 PM	#2
onefarmer Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: PA Posts: 49 Likes: 129 Liked 140 Times in 33 Posts	Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser Had a larger than normal 32 teeth rear sprocket. When I saw all the other copo cars have a totally enclosed rear belt guard this year we figured something was fishy. And it was on way more cars than got caught, and from two different engine suppliers. I have to remind myself more than once that when I'm complaining about anything at the track I am complaining about privilege problems. What ALL those guys did is not what we would expect fellow sportsman to do in our eyes, but this does not make them evil people. Yeah I would liked to have seen much harsher out come but that's for more of my own selfishness reasons. I'm I gonna walk over and do the normal small talk as before with these guys? I hope I can keep taking the high road "which apparently is the one less traveled" but time will tell. The black eye on the ones who got caught and the ones who did not is by far worse than the $2500 and 100 points. Judgement by our peers is not nearly as important than judgement from the man above. We all can always strive to better at everything we do in life. Hopefully these classes can move on from this, as I think the FX cars are the coolest thing going, but that's just my 2cents. There will only be 4 us racing at Maple grove this weekend so if your there please stop by the pits and check them out. We will be parked bottom of the hill from the staging lanes on the left. __________________ FX L177, FSS 3 STK L177 Lenny Lottig

09-10-2024, 06:37 PM	#4
63corvette Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Canyon, Tx Posts: 551 Likes: 127 Liked 353 Times in 102 Posts	Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser I have watched this thread and I am amazed at several of the opinions expressed. In my opinion which is just that an opinion, anyone who cheats knowingly just for advantage trying to win fame and fortune has a basic character flaw. I also can not believe NHRA did not come down much harder on those caught as discussed in this thread. That says a great deal about NHRA management?s character also. I currently believe there is cheating going on in all of the sportsmen categories and NHRA does not seem to care. I also think safety has been compromised since tech seems to no longer exist. I just competed at an unnamed Division Race and witnessed several blatant safety violations in the staging lanes as we prepared to run. One competitor made a pass in a roadster without a head and neck restraint, neck collar, head sock, or helmet drape. Another made a pass with the parachute attachment to the car dangling down behind the body. Both of those things were easily spotted by many in the lanes. Both should have been required by the rules in the rule book. I am just very disappointed in NHRA for many reasons currently. Just my 2 cents. Rick Cates Canyon TX Last edited by 63corvette; 09-10-2024 at 06:41 PM.

09-10-2024, 06:51 PM	#5
1legjerry Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 85 Likes: 4 Liked 72 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser I suspect because NHRA changed the rule right after they got caught, there is way more to the story and we will likely never know unless someone spills the beans from 1 of the stanfield cars. My guess is in 30 days the fines will be lifted and the points deduction will stay. Maybe, a big Maybe someone forgot to update the rules and let everyone know at the first of the year. again maybe.

09-11-2024, 03:50 PM	#7
Dan Bennett Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 437 Likes: 840 Liked 591 Times in 134 Posts	Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser One thing I haven't seen mentioned in this mess is the outsized influence the manufacturers have. While racing in Pro Stock and PST, I saw serious pressure campaigns a lot. Some from chassis builders, some from the OEMs. All were for changes that weren't needed and didn't make sense other than to certain parties. I saw the same thing in Stock and Super Stock. The one that sticks in my mind was an over 30 year old letter being "found" allowing certain models to run hood scoops that never happened on the production line. I was heavy into restoration at the time, a tremendous amount of research was going on, and nothing was found to prove it ever happened. Until those letters appeared. Harley decided they wanted to go drag racing with an engine that was not - and could not - be competitive. I never saw the exact amount, but for enough money, they bought the class and were allowed to bring something totally different which was not available to other competitors. So I'm not sure at all, but it's entirely possible in my mind that a "we're not going to spend money if we can't win" campaign was put into place and somebody agreed just to not look at certain parts. I can't blame GM solely for this since I knew of all the manufacturers making that statement at one time or another in various classes. Why did they now look? No idea. Maybe more money was asked for and the parties are now not happy with each other. I almost feel guilty at slamming the NHRA twice in one day. Almost.