new A/FX CLASS

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by GUMP

We sure have! As long as you keep beating a dead horse....

Gump, you think we're beating a dead horse here, but where do you see this ending?

The COPO Camaro is only sold through U.S. dealerships. The COPO Camaro is a purpose-built race car which is not street legal and therefore can not be registered in any of the 50 states. The COPO Camaro is sold without a title, on a Bill of Sale, and does not have a VIN.

A 632 old tech BBC, fitted with EFI, could never , ever be a street legal, dealer sold automobile in 2023.
First of all , it would knock the CAFE standards way out of whack for the smaller engine Camaros down line.
It's nothing more than a factory experimental platform being used to promote crate motors. No way, in any scope or fashion, does this car belong in STOCK Eliminator
Keep this nonsense up and they will be allowing FX Comp cars in Stock in a few years.
I'm sure you'll jump on that too, right?

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Gump, you think we're beating a dead horse here, but where do you see this ending?

The COPO Camaro is only sold through U.S. dealerships. The COPO Camaro is a purpose-built race car which is not street legal and therefore can not be registered in any of the 50 states. The COPO Camaro is sold without a title, on a Bill of Sale, and does not have a VIN.

A 632 old tech BBC, fitted with EFI, could never , ever be a street legal, dealer sold automobile in 2023.
First of all , it would knock the CAFE standards way out of whack for the smaller engine Camaros down line.
It's nothing more than a factory experimental platform being used to promote crate motors. No way, in any scope or fashion, does this car belong in STOCK Eliminator
Keep this nonsense up and they will be allowing FX Comp cars in Stock in a few years.
I'm sure you'll jump on that too, right?

Last year I took delivery of the very first Big Block COPO built. I didn't buy it to wreck Stock Eliminator. I got it because it is historic. As it was placed in the guide, we have been racing it. Being honest, have you seen us do anything with that car that harms the Class?

Note that I favor the combinations that are based on the production castings. I think that you would agree that we run those cars pretty hard at times?

I will add that I was very involved in getting the 2015 Camaro into the guide. I caught massive crap for that one too!

In answer to your your questions, I hope that, somehow, the OEMs find a way to keep producing at least limited numbers of ICE cars geared towards performance. I would happily race natural Stockers.

I also hope that we will have a place to race long into the future.

[joe huestis]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Last year I took delivery of the very first Big Block COPO built. I didn't buy it to wreck Stock Eliminator. I got it because it is historic. As it was placed in the guide, we have been racing it. Being honest, have you seen us do anything with that car that harms the Class?

Note that I favor the combinations that are based on the production castings. I think that you would agree that we run those cars pretty hard at times?

I will add that I was very involved in getting the 2015 Camaro into the guide. I caught massive crap for that one too!

In answer to your your questions, I hope that, somehow, the OEMs find a way to keep producing at least limited numbers of ICE cars geared towards performance. I would happily race natural Stockers.

I also hope that we will have a place to race long into the future.

As far as getting combos in the guide someone with some pull should have NHRA put more modern production models in the guide (i.e. Dodge Chargers, Chevy Caprice Police model, Chevy SS, Pontiac G8, all Mustang models both V8,V6. 4 cyl combos. We are racing stockers that are 40 - 65 years old. Do you see our eliminator lasting well into the future status quo. At present I think not.

[JeremyDuncan]

Originally Posted by joe huestis

As far as getting combos in the guide someone with some pull should have NHRA put more modern production models in the guide (i.e. Dodge Chargers, Chevy Caprice Police model, Chevy SS, Pontiac G8, all Mustang models both V8,V6. 4 cyl combos. We are racing stockers that are 40 - 65 years old. Do you see our eliminator lasting well into the future status quo. At present I think not.

As long as the shipping weights are some what close to what the cars actually weigh. Not 500lbs+ lighter.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by JeremyDuncan

As long as the shipping weights are some what close to what the cars actually weigh. Not 500lbs+ lighter.

The problem here is all of the modern cars have at least that much that can be legally removed.

When I match raced Robin Lawrence, I had over 400 lbs of ballast in my COPO. If I were running the production LT1 the only major difference is the hood. Where do I put another 500 lbs?

[JeremyDuncan]

Originally Posted by GUMP

The problem here is all of the modern cars have at least that much that can be legally removed.

When I match raced Robin Lawrence, I had over 400 lbs of ballast in my COPO. If I were running the production LT1 the only major difference is the hood. Where do I put another 500 lbs?

It's called shipping weight not weight with legally removed items. Older cars face similar issues. Ask anyone racing a Corvette in Stock or SS.

[Henrys Toy]

Originally Posted by GUMP

The problem here is all of the modern cars have at least that much that can be legally removed.

When I match raced Robin Lawrence, I had over 400 lbs of ballast in my COPO. If I were running the production LT1 the only major difference is the hood. Where do I put another 500 lbs?

Good morning to all,
Just on the "silly side" I've always found the Cheese Burger, Pizza and Beer diet to help add a couple of Pounds right in the drivers seat. Legal ballast and a good artery clogger as well. Probably easier to find an over weight driver then a skinny one! Enjoy the Pizza and Beer and lets go racing!

Respectfully,
Henry Kunz 1534 H/SA

[JeremyDuncan]

Originally Posted by GUMP

The problem here is all of the modern cars have at least that much that can be legally removed.

When I match raced Robin Lawrence, I had over 400 lbs of ballast in my COPO. If I were running the production LT1 the only major difference is the hood. Where do I put another 500 lbs?

Also we are referring to production cars being put in the guide, not Copo, drag Paks, & CJ's

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by JeremyDuncan

Also we are referring to production cars being put in the guide, not Copo, drag Paks, & CJ's

Yep. And like I said, there is very little difference between my COPO and a production Camaro in legal Stock Eliminstor trim. Just the weight of the hood and intake manifold.

The new cars are nothing like the old cars. The seats, wheels, wiring, modules, rear cradle, transmissions, emissions, safety, equipment, etc. have made them stupid heavy in production form.

[JeremyDuncan]

Originally Posted by GUMP

When I match raced Robin Lawrence, I had over 400 lbs of ballast in my COPO. If I were running the production LT1 the only major difference is the hood. Where do I put another 500 lbs?

Factory Hood instead of carbon fiber+30lbs

With production car you have to run the battery in the front where they were put by factory. So front battery and add one in the back. +50lbs

Use factory seats instead of light weight race seats +120lbs

With production car in stock you can even use back seat +75lbs

Instead of light weight 3 or 5 gallon fuel cell use max allowed 16gal fuel cell or even better heavier stock fuel tank. +75lbs

No rule that a car has to be built with chrome moly instead of mild steel. Mild steel cage with few extra bars +90lbs

Add factory spare tire and jack. +45lbs

NHRA allowed 500lbs of permanent mounted ballast.

Walla 4000lbs LT1 2023 SS Camaro.