Great Bend Stock DQ

[JRyan]

No Joe, I don't think we can ASSUME that. As you know, I talked to the owner and understand what went on. Both the owner and NHRA have information to support their sides. All should remember that in the past (way back) they didn't use specs either to DQ what they thought was incorrect. Maybe NHRA is going back to that line of thinking. I don't know, but it's their ballpark.

Jerry

[Jim Wahl]

I beg to differ with you Jerry, It's not just their ballpark, it's ours to! We have a right as paying customers/members to have a level, honest playing field. If they (NHRA) is using technical specifications to eliminate racers we have a right to know what those specifications are! This idea that NHRA makes a statement that says "we can not be sued" is BS. This idea ia a fire that must be extinguished. Every person, company or group can be sued and held responsible for their actions. You cannot sign your right to fair treatment away! We are required to play by the rules and so are they. Jim

[s10stocker]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

I beg to differ with you Jerry, It's not just their ballpark, it's ours to! We have a right as paying customers/members to have a level, honest playing field. If they (NHRA) is using technical specifications to eliminate racers we have a right to know what those specifications are! This idea that NHRA makes a statement that says "we can not be sued" is BS. This idea ia a fire that must be extinguished. Every person, company or group can be sued and held responsible for their actions. You cannot sign your right to fair treatment away! We are required to play by the rules and so are they. Jim

I agree Jim. Also give me rules to follow and I will follow them. I can't prepare for a rule that isn't there.

[Jim Wahl]

Well said George! That is all a racer can ask for, fairness! We must be fair and the NHRA must be fair, that is what we must have. Jim

[Bob]

George, you said "Also give me rules to follow and I will follow them. I can't prepare for a rule that isn't there."

Jim, you said "We are required to play by the rules and so are they."

The rule book I have states quite clearly that CYLIDER HEADS CANNOT BE MODIFIED. So if your head runners pour MORE THAN the SS spec, they are too big. If your heads pour MORE THAN an original head that NHRA provides, they are to big. PERIOD!!

AND, no where in the rulebook does it state that you can port a head, cover it with acid, and it will be legal as long as it does not exceed the SS spec's. That unfortunately is the assumption that many racers and engine builders have.

Maybe, just maybe, NHRA has spec's for heads, and their fact finding mission over the
last year has simply been to find out how many bogus heads are out there.

Jerry is correct, it's THEIR ballpark. If you don't like it, don't join.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Bob

George, you said "Also give me rules to follow and I will follow them. I can't prepare for a rule that isn't there."

Jim, you said "We are required to play by the rules and so are they."

The rule book I have states quite clearly that CYLIDER HEADS CANNOT BE MODIFIED. So if your head runners pour MORE THAN the SS spec, they are too big. If your heads pour MORE THAN an original head that NHRA provides, they are to big. PERIOD!!

AND, no where in the rulebook does it state that you can port a head, cover it with acid, and it will be legal as long as it does not exceed the SS spec's. That unfortunately is the assumption that many racers and engine builders have.

Maybe, just maybe, NHRA has spec's for heads, and their fact finding mission over the
last year has simply been to find out how many bogus heads are out there.

Jerry is correct, it's THEIR ballpark. If you don't like it, don't join.

Bob, who says they are using the SS Specs? Has NHRA made an announcement they will use the SS Specs for Stock Eliminator? For a starters, many of the numbers in the SS Specs are incorrect.

[Jim Wahl]

Come on Bob, don't make this any tougher on yourself than it needs to be. NHRA has NEVER said they are using SS specs on Stockers. In fact they used a junkyard head the found somewhere. They used 60's technology. Establish specs and publish them! Even field Bob, even field. Knowing the specs is a must, we aren't building a bomb here Bob, just trying to have some fun. Jim

[Chuck Beach]

We are also allowed to use aftermarket valves which for the most part are different than stock valves. There are probably a few CC's just in the valve.

[Bob]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

Bob, who says they are using the SS Specs? Has NHRA made an announcement they will use the SS Specs for Stock Eliminator? For a starters, many of the numbers in the SS Specs are incorrect.

Did I ever say NHRA used SS spec's? NO.

Did I ever say NHRA announced they were using SS spec's, NO.

If you can't read my post and understand my post, it's no wonder why you cannot read the rule book either.

[s10stocker]

[QUOTE=Bob;67603]George, you said "Also give me rules to follow and I will follow them. I can't prepare for a rule that isn't there."

Jim, you said "We are required to play by the rules and so are they."

The rule book I have states quite clearly that CYLIDER HEADS CANNOT BE MODIFIED. So if your head runners pour MORE THAN the SS spec, they are too big. If your heads pour MORE THAN an original head that NHRA provides, they are to big. PERIOD!!

AND, no where in the rulebook does it state that you can port a head, cover it with acid, and it will be legal as long as it does not exceed the SS spec's. That unfortunately is the assumption that many racers and engine builders have.

Maybe, just maybe, NHRA has spec's for heads, and their fact finding mission over the
last year has simply been to find out how many bogus heads are out there.

All I can say is this. The heads I run came on the truck when I bought the truck brand new in March of 1996. Mr. Ronny at Southland did a 3 angle and cleaned up the surface on these heads and thats it. I know how virgin these heads are; however, when Wesley pored them they were .2 of 1cc higher than the SS spec of a 350. Now they were try to compare the SS specs of a 350 to my 4.3 V6 because they admitted they had no data to compare to. Tell me how is that fair. All I can say is that if NHRA decides that these heads are to big I guess I will be doing more bracket racing, because I don't believe I could find a stock head smaller.

P.S. It is their ballpark; however, without players its just a field.