NHRA At It Again

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Billy Hampton

Gentlemen, Let us not forget NHRA is in the entertainment business and not in racing. Its like F1- about the show and not the racing or competition. Their goal is to make money and sell TV adverting to the mASSES.

Revoke the non- profit and make them pull back the curtain and lets see what is really going on. Sorry, I just woke up from a dream (nightmare).

As NHRA continues to add classes, seeking to find "the next new thing" and "draw the new, young crowd", they will find that it costs them their core fans, and their core racers. Their attempt to "be everything to everyone" will be an abject failure.




Honestly, the ONLY that saves them with Stock and Super Stock racers is the large portion of the group that is convinced that they receive the greatest "prestige" from paying large sums of money to NHRA for a 1 in 50 to 1 in 70 chance at a Wally.


What people need desperately to understand is that, if Bo Butner puts on a Stock/Super Stock race with NHRA tech, a week after an NHRA event, and you race the same 5-7 racers at Bo's race that you did at the NHRA race, the real prestige is the same, the only difference is Bo paid you more and treated you better.


If you can't collect enough grade points to get into a National event, and you can't collect enough points to win a championship, or you have decided not to chase a championship, why are you skipping good races put on by good racers, who are treating you well? To go take a shot at a Wally? To collect too few points? To collect a woefully inadequate purse and contingencies?


I'll say this, right here, right now. When we went to Bowling Green for a Stock/Super Stock combo, we raced almost the exact same people and cars we raced the previous weekend at an LODRS race, or would race two weeks later at an NHRA National event. And winning that combo, against the same drivers, and the same NHRA legal cars, was damned sure every bit as much fun, and brought as much pride.

[Billy Nees]

Alan, good post!
I really want to answer you but I think that I'm going to start another thread. Gonna have to think about this for a bit.

[Ron Ortiz]

Stock does seem to be the largest of the sportsman classes. I looked back from 2022 - 2017 to see how many Stockers ran a points-earning race of any kind, how many ran at least 5 Divisional races, and how many ran the full slate of 8+ Divisionals each year:

2022: 969 - 287 - 51
2021: 957 - 291 - 73
2020: 850 - 239 - 32
2019: 1077 - 282 - 61
2018: 1077 - 250 - 39
2017: 1088 - 260 - 42

After looking at the numbers Tony put up, it appears that the ones who complete 8 or more are the ones who fill the quotas for the last couple of years. Understandably. But it sure cuts out a whole lot of others. And that's including all the other grade 8's.
It's their game, I just play in it a little. While it lasts.

[Mike Pearson]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

As NHRA continues to add classes, seeking to find "the next new thing" and "draw the new, young crowd", they will find that it costs them their core fans, and their core racers. Their attempt to "be everything to everyone" will be an abject failure.




Honestly, the ONLY that saves them with Stock and Super Stock racers is the large portion of the group that is convinced that they receive the greatest "prestige" from paying large sums of money to NHRA for a 1 in 50 to 1 in 70 chance at a Wally.


What people need desperately to understand is that, if Bo Butner puts on a Stock/Super Stock race with NHRA tech, a week after an NHRA event, and you race the same 5-7 racers at Bo's race that you did at the NHRA race, the real prestige is the same, the only difference is Bo paid you more and treated you better.


If you can't collect enough grade points to get into a National event, and you can't collect enough points to win a championship, or you have decided not to chase a championship, why are you skipping good races put on by good racers, who are treating you well? To go take a shot at a Wally? To collect too few points? To collect a woefully inadequate purse and contingencies?


I'll say this, right here, right now. When we went to Bowling Green for a Stock/Super Stock combo, we raced almost the exact same people and cars we raced the previous weekend at an LODRS race, or would race two weeks later at an NHRA National event. And winning that combo, against the same drivers, and the same NHRA legal cars, was damned sure every bit as much fun, and brought as much pride.

Listen to Bobby Fabio “Insatiable Bunch” video on the other thread and it will open your eyes on how some of the racers think.

[Billy Hampton]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^is not MY problem! As A member/associate/business partner/investor (pick whichever one you're comfortable with) I SHOULD BE entitled to the same privileges as any other dues paying person/Racer. Maybe it's time for them to stop hiding their dog-and-pony show behind the guise of a not-for-profit!

Exactly my point. 100% agree.

[PONTIAC'S REVENGE]

Too late for 70 on the gators?

[tstickff]

Good thing they increased the quota for Arizona, it’s going on the second week and it’s got a whole 28 cars entered in stock! Good thing they were quick with the computer!

Tim Stickles

[Larry Hill]

While we ask for NHRA to expand our quotas for a heavily attended on the east coast that filled in 180 seconds NHRA raised the quota to 70 in Az. After a week S/S and Stock are less than half full for the Az race. So will NHRA officials say we raised the quota and us races did not support them?

[James Perrone]

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

While we ask for NHRA to expand our quotas for a heavily attended on the east coast that filled in 180 seconds NHRA raised the quota to 70 in Az. After a week S/S and Stock are less than half full for the Az race. So will NHRA officials say we raised the quota and us races did not support them?

Exactly. Not needed at that race.
Customer base East of Mississippi is where the big fields are
And they will say we raised the entry and know one showed. Right On

[Lenny5160]

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

While we ask for NHRA to expand our quotas for a heavily attended on the east coast that filled in 180 seconds NHRA raised the quota to 70 in Az. After a week S/S and Stock are less than half full for the Az race. So will NHRA officials say we raised the quota and us races did not support them?

If a race fills at 8, it reflects criminal behavior by NHRA.

If the race doesn’t fill at 7, it shows a complete lack of interest.