Billet cams and lifter supply

[SDT1DYI]

Originally Posted by john ancona

Oh only a 6 months, it's now over a year now I have been waiting , so I did what all the (one more change to stock) Guy's are saying ,I built a Super stock engine to run in the mean time with the $ 650.00 dollar roller lifters while I wait for the what I think will be the $1400.00 to $ 2400.00 set . Lol

John, I thought you were going with to race SS GT class with a 350 2 barrel?
How about a 5 HP penalty for Roller cam in stock?
If a change to Roller Cams is made then change the piston rings to what ever rings you want. Spacers are get expensive as well. Oh and then for low compression motors how about making pump gas legal in stock as well. Could save some money there as well. .

Steve Teeter Stk/SS 620

[Gary Parker]

Heres my 2 cents.. I lost a motor at the beginning of 2022. A shubeck lifter broke. That did in the whole short block. Now I am trying to get the motor done for 2023. I have made many calls and talked with people who make lifters. The best one I talked to was a man at Howard Cams. He explained they could not get Trend tool steel lifters to sell. They did have them advertised for $699.00 Talked to Trend and yes $2400.00 and a year wait. The man from Howards explainded the company the made lifter cups went out of buisness at the start of Covid. I wrote NHRA tech department and tried to explain my position... No lifters...Yes I did ask about alowing rollers. Not because I wanted to gain performance but I wanted to race. They are in so many stockers with roler lifters now.... But they did not go for it..

[bubski]

Bubski’s thinking !! It sure would be more cost effective and in the spirit of stock eliminator rules to go back to the valve spring rule and forget about all of this nonsense with exotic materials and changing the rules to be closer to SS !! How can it be possibly cheaper to redesign your entire valve train ?? All that needs to be done is go back to what used to work in Stock !! Why can’t change ever go backwards to what worked previously ?? Why does change always move toward more problems and expense ??

[Paul Wong]

I cant agree more. Put the valve spring rule back in place and it will make all this go away. We even have two steps to kill the valve spring pressure a bit before tear down now.

I can only imagine all the letters of superseded valve springs appearing over night.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Paul Wong

I can only imagine all the letters of superseded valve springs appearing over night.

It won't come to that if they can come up with something somewhat easy to police. Maybe stock dia. and height +/- something and no more than 180/200 on the seat.

[Pat6868]

IHRA Pure stock rules; problem solved.

How much money will it cost when the 500.00 roller lifter explodes and it destroys the short block? Then we will need the parts to complement the lifters. Maybe titanium retainers, valves, etc. how much are Jesel lifters? 4K and up? Then we need keyed slot bushings for the good lifters. But this will fix everything, right. If I had to wait 14 months for tool steel lifters, I’d be trying to make a standard solid lifter work. Cam profile, spring combo, break in procedure and so on. Maybe you have to run softer profile cams so they last? Work with what you have? I’d take this route if I wanted to race and not sit out.

Remember when people on the board said if we just all had solid lifters it would be so much cheaper and easier to find and police? I guess all those people retried or quit racing? The same bullchit was said about roller rockers. Look where we are now?

Keep making these cars resemble SS rules cars and the NHRA can just cancel out the stock class and save a bunch of money and effort. They basically don’t want us there anyway. Your helping their cause by coming on here and asking for SS rules for our engines.

Forget about pure stock rules and enforcement. That ship sailed in the 80’s.

People here suggest a valve spring rule. That will even the playing field.
What happens when someone with a unlimited budget tells their engine builder to make that work no matter what the cost. Then you have put the cost even higher for racers to keep up.

If you want roller lifters in stock, run a car that came with them

[Frank Castros]

Originally Posted by bubski

Bubski’s thinking !! It sure would be more cost effective and in the spirit of stock eliminator rules to go back to the valve spring rule and forget about all of this nonsense with exotic materials and changing the rules to be closer to SS !! How can it be possibly cheaper to redesign your entire valve train ?? All that needs to be done is go back to what used to work in Stock !! Why can’t change ever go backwards to what worked previously ?? Why does change always move toward more problems and expense ??

If I could have liked this post 100 times I would have.

[Frank Castros]

One of the best posts in a very long time. Bravo Bubski!

[B Parker]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

If I could have liked this post 100 times I would have.

Bubski Grow a pair and use your real name.

Frank I'm sure we must have met threw the years but do you even have a Stocker?

Paul you and Charlie are trying to get a motor built. What are you going to use for lifters? Or are you going to put a small cam with not a lot of valve spring pressure.

There are others on here with a solution to go backwards for the older cars. Some of you don't race Stock and probably never will. Others race in classes that they don't have anyone that competes in their class and won't see a heads up race all year. I'd call that bracket racing and you don't need to worry how fast your car goes. I like the part of competing against other cars that run the same class as I do. And I don't want to have to bring a knife to a gun fight because a part is no longer available.

James so you have an experiment going on. I hope they work all season.
But if not let us know how big of a hole in the oil pan they put and what it will cost to fix.

I don't need any lifters at this point. But with everything we are allowed to do right now. And with half the cars in Stock using roller lifters already. You think letting all Stockers use them is going to make us closer to Super Stock. Really!!
That horse left the barn years ago too.



Bubski pay attention to this. I USE MY REAL NAME again if your going post on here why don't you first grow a SET !! Until then I look at your post's as a no name CLOWN. Barry Parker