Russ linke - Page 4

Brett C · 09-19-2022, 09:59 AM

That guy always does that **** on this forum! Should be used to it by now.
Shows up randomly and calls out people in the 3rd person and then disappears. No one know who the f it is! Just ignore the idiot!

davidhuff · 09-19-2022, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Brett C

That guy always does that **** on this forum! Should be used to it by now.
Shows up randomly and calls out people in the 3rd person and then disappears. No one know who the f it is! Just ignore the idiot!

I agree 100%

SBillinson · 09-19-2022, 11:39 AM

This thread needs to die.

The guy had a thin head gasket and got bounced. It's not like he had a super stock engine in the car.

The last I knew, 0.050" decked from a set of small block heads gave you a point of compression. He had less than a third of that, maybe a quarter. Would it make a difference? Maybe, but it's not worth a tenth. Besides, how many heads up runs does anyone see in eliminations? Sure, he was running class, but the guy races a lot. He has no need to cheat, especially at the most obvious place to check..

For those who don't know, he's a good guy and a excellent driver. He comes from a racing family of nice people.

Move on.

Mark Yacavone · 09-19-2022, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SBillinson

This thread needs to die.

The guy had a thin head gasket and got bounced. It's not like he had a super stock engine in the car.

The last I knew, 0.050" decked from a set of small block heads gave you a point of compression. He had less than a third of that, maybe a quarter. Would it make a difference? Maybe, but it's not worth a tenth. Besides, how many heads up runs does anyone see in eliminations? Sure, he was running class, but the guy races a lot. He has no need to cheat, especially at the most obvious place to check..

For those who don't know, he's a good guy and a excellent driver. He comes from a racing family of nice people.

Move on.

I disagree with just about everything in this one, right from the top.

As I said, I don't know the man. I'm sure he's a great guy to have a beer with after hours..But what does that have to do with the subject matter?
In case some missed it, this car and driver has been involved in several heads up runs in the last few years..Some with great drivers with good engines, that were in contention for National and Divisional championships. He was able to run away from most of them.
Now the driver can say he didn't put those gaskets on the engine, and the engine can say he didn't do it. The fact remains. Someone did it and it's no accident.

I'm really surprised at the nonchalant attitude of some here. This kind of thing would have been looked at quite differently under Farmer, Greg X, and Marty Barrett.

This saga is not going away yet, nor should it.

BTW, S... I think you ought to recheck your math.

Stan Weiss · 09-19-2022, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SBillinson

This thread needs to die.

The guy had a thin head gasket and got bounced. It's not like he had a super stock engine in the car.

The last I knew, 0.050" decked from a set of small block heads gave you a point of compression. He had less than a third of that, maybe a quarter. Would it make a difference? Maybe, but it's not worth a tenth. Besides, how many heads up runs does anyone see in eliminations? Sure, he was running class, but the guy races a lot. He has no need to cheat, especially at the most obvious place to check..

For those who don't know, he's a good guy and a excellent driver. He comes from a racing family of nice people.

Move on.

A 4" diameter hole is 0.205926 cc's per 0.001" of thickness

Stan

Cameron Collins · 09-19-2022, 12:46 PM

Could the head gaskets been packaged wrong from the dealer?

Doug Hoven · 09-19-2022, 12:56 PM

As much as it sucks to see someone, in fact more than one genuinely all around good person to get disqualified at a race, I think it was a very important move from a tech standpoint. All of the cars that found there way into the teardown barn this past weekend at Maple Grove are cars that have a reputation of being very fast cars. It may have been good practice to tear down all of the class winners, but the time and manpower wasn't present to be able to manage that kind of operation. It is important to see that the racers aren't the only ones noticing which cars are going very fast during heads ups, while staying in the middle of the pack at all other times during competition. Hopefully this serves as a bit of a reminder to some that they can and will be torn down at any point at a race, and that tech hasn't completely backed off like some may have thought. Even though it takes a trained eye along with time and effort, It would be comforting to continue to see more random teardowns in the future, maybe not even just for engines. Safety, Electronics, etc.

FED 387 · 09-19-2022, 12:57 PM

Not sure how the incorrect thickness head gaskets got put on that engine BUT we always mike our gaskets to get the thinnest gasket we could find to get every last bit of performance and we would end up using those that were the thinnest AS LONG AS IT WAS THE CORRECT thickness----who did or didn't measure them ,who installed them etc. makes no difference--- they were the wrong thickness PERIOD--- so the driver has to suffer the consequences, you can go back up the food chain if you want to "warn" people or put people on notice about repercussions for future infractions but that doesn't take away from the fact that he is/was wrong---the penalty was expulsion--- FED 387

Jeff Niceswanger · 09-19-2022, 01:06 PM

I know exactly what 4 or 5 CC's are worth. I spent all one summer trying to figure out where it went. I won't get into slinging around where the boo boo came from, but at Edgewater one year we sprung a water leak. Dave Layer was our traveling buddy ( Good Lord do I ever miss that guy) and we gave him both heads to find where the water was coming from and fix them/it. He called me the following Monday and said "its just a spring pocket. Its fixed. You want me to fix these CC's while I'm at it"?. I answered "I just got that motor back from freshening over the winter (Edgewater was the first week of August). He said, "Well their off 4 and 5 CC's". Upon fixing them the tenth I had hunted all year instantly came back. I don't know how much the gasket infraction truly was, but I know what 5 cc equates to on our 993.

BigBlockBill · 09-19-2022, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Drunken DragPak

Just think it's funny when something was done wrong in an engine it's the drivers fault, if they got bounced for a suspension or rollbar/cage it the builders fault. Why is no one talking about the engine builder

In the end it is the responsibility of the car owner/driver to know what is in or on ther engine since it's them that will be impacted by the violation.

09-19-2022, 09:59 AM	#31
Brett C VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Thibodaux, LA Posts: 1,157 Likes: 248 Liked 845 Times in 193 Posts	Re: Russ linke That guy always does that **** on this forum! Should be used to it by now. Shows up randomly and calls out people in the 3rd person and then disappears. No one know who the f it is! Just ignore the idiot! __________________ Brett Candies 4192 Stock/SS God Bless America

09-19-2022, 11:39 AM	#33
SBillinson Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 87 Likes: 39 Liked 166 Times in 47 Posts	Re: Russ linke This thread needs to die. The guy had a thin head gasket and got bounced. It's not like he had a super stock engine in the car. The last I knew, 0.050" decked from a set of small block heads gave you a point of compression. He had less than a third of that, maybe a quarter. Would it make a difference? Maybe, but it's not worth a tenth. Besides, how many heads up runs does anyone see in eliminations? Sure, he was running class, but the guy races a lot. He has no need to cheat, especially at the most obvious place to check.. For those who don't know, he's a good guy and a excellent driver. He comes from a racing family of nice people. Move on. __________________ SS/BS 1921

09-19-2022, 12:46 PM	#36
Cameron Collins Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 21 Likes: 2 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Russ linke Could the head gaskets been packaged wrong from the dealer?

09-19-2022, 12:56 PM	#37
Doug Hoven Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 181 Likes: 169 Liked 752 Times in 146 Posts	Re: Russ linke As much as it sucks to see someone, in fact more than one genuinely all around good person to get disqualified at a race, I think it was a very important move from a tech standpoint. All of the cars that found there way into the teardown barn this past weekend at Maple Grove are cars that have a reputation of being very fast cars. It may have been good practice to tear down all of the class winners, but the time and manpower wasn't present to be able to manage that kind of operation. It is important to see that the racers aren't the only ones noticing which cars are going very fast during heads ups, while staying in the middle of the pack at all other times during competition. Hopefully this serves as a bit of a reminder to some that they can and will be torn down at any point at a race, and that tech hasn't completely backed off like some may have thought. Even though it takes a trained eye along with time and effort, It would be comforting to continue to see more random teardowns in the future, maybe not even just for engines. Safety, Electronics, etc. __________________ 1189 F/SA

09-19-2022, 12:57 PM	#38
FED 387 VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,349 Likes: 327 Liked 280 Times in 150 Posts	Re: Russ linke Not sure how the incorrect thickness head gaskets got put on that engine BUT we always mike our gaskets to get the thinnest gasket we could find to get every last bit of performance and we would end up using those that were the thinnest AS LONG AS IT WAS THE CORRECT thickness----who did or didn't measure them ,who installed them etc. makes no difference--- they were the wrong thickness PERIOD--- so the driver has to suffer the consequences, you can go back up the food chain if you want to "warn" people or put people on notice about repercussions for future infractions but that doesn't take away from the fact that he is/was wrong---the penalty was expulsion--- FED 387

09-19-2022, 01:06 PM	#39
Jeff Niceswanger Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 771 Likes: 586 Liked 839 Times in 293 Posts	Re: Russ linke I know exactly what 4 or 5 CC's are worth. I spent all one summer trying to figure out where it went. I won't get into slinging around where the boo boo came from, but at Edgewater one year we sprung a water leak. Dave Layer was our traveling buddy ( Good Lord do I ever miss that guy) and we gave him both heads to find where the water was coming from and fix them/it. He called me the following Monday and said "its just a spring pocket. Its fixed. You want me to fix these CC's while I'm at it"?. I answered "I just got that motor back from freshening over the winter (Edgewater was the first week of August). He said, "Well their off 4 and 5 CC's". Upon fixing them the tenth I had hunted all year instantly came back. I don't know how much the gasket infraction truly was, but I know what 5 cc equates to on our 993. __________________ Jeff Niceswanger 3740 SS Last edited by Jeff Niceswanger; 09-19-2022 at 01:17 PM.