Can We Un-ring The Bell

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by FireSale

On the topic of rule roll back, FWD conversion cars have no place in SS/GT or Modified. LS motors come in RWD cars and should not be allowed in FWD vehicles.There is just something wrong about a classic Nova staging against a Cobalt and being given the head start... Put them all in Altered

Why they do not have a place in SS/GT or Modified?
They run a different weight break and HP factor than the RWD cars in SS/GT. The only change they should do in Modified for RWD cars is to allow them to run similar front suspensions as their FWD counterparts.

[Frank Castros]

Aren't MOST of the Rule enhancements and Blueprint Specs that have been changed in the past 25-35 years happened because the racers wanted it this way and also because the N.H.R.A. Technical Department can't, couldn't or wouldn't enforce the pre-existing rules anymore.
Including now legal parts revisions, aftermarket parts acceptance, allowable electronics and internal engine and transmission modifications.
I'm only talking about Stock Eliminator, in my humble opinion Super Stock is completely out of control.

[FireSale]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

Why they do not have a place in SS/GT or Modified?
They run a different weight break and HP factor than the RWD cars in SS/GT. The only change they should do in Modified for RWD cars is to allow them to run similar front suspensions as their FWD counterparts.

The rules for GT, Modified Stock and Modified all fall under the general rules for Super Stock. If Super Stock allows it, it's OK in GT, Modified Stock or Modified. FWD conversion cars are not permitted in SS and should not be allowed in the following classes that have to adhere to SS rules. The engine swap in GT came about to allow older SS cars to improve and keep up with modern engines. Before GT, a Nova or Mustang was limited to model year correct power plants.
In short, a Nova with an LS engine makes sense to me and a Sunfire with an LS doesn't.

I really don't like piling on HP in a vintage car and being limited to stock front suspension. There are bracket cars with better and safer front ends than my 68 Mustang.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by FireSale

The rules for GT, Modified Stock and Modified all fall under the general rules for Super Stock. If Super Stock allows it, it's OK in GT, Modified Stock or Modified. FWD conversion cars are not permitted in SS and should not be allowed in the following classes that have to adhere to SS rules. The engine swap in GT came about to allow older SS cars to improve and keep up with modern engines. Before GT, a Nova or Mustang was limited to model year correct power plants.
In short, a Nova with an LS engine makes sense to me and a Sunfire with an LS doesn't.

I really don't like piling on HP in a vintage car and being limited to stock front suspension. There are bracket cars with better and safer front ends than my 68 Mustang.

Didn't when Pontiac bring back the GTO it have an LS?


Stan

[jamie2370]

If thats the logic then I guess we should go ahead and remove trucks from SS as well. I mean who wants to see an s10 with a V8??? I mean it didn't come from the factory with a V8. THAT is the reason GT and Modified came about. So is it just LS engines or ??? Because 90% of the GT cobalts/sunfires/etc have either a carb engine, SBC L98 FI or LT1 FI engines, the modified ones are basically Comp cars with a very small SBC. Ok, I'll quit now lol.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by FireSale

The rules for GT, Modified Stock and Modified all fall under the general rules for Super Stock. If Super Stock allows it, it's OK in GT, Modified Stock or Modified. FWD conversion cars are not permitted in SS and should not be allowed in the following classes that have to adhere to SS rules. The engine swap in GT came about to allow older SS cars to improve and keep up with modern engines. Before GT, a Nova or Mustang was limited to model year correct power plants.
In short, a Nova with an LS engine makes sense to me and a Sunfire with an LS doesn't.

I really don't like piling on HP in a vintage car and being limited to stock front suspension. There are bracket cars with better and safer front ends than my 68 Mustang.

Your confusion is that Super Stock, although it is a class, it is also a category, just like Stock Eliminator is a category with Stock class, Trucks class, FWD class and Factory Stock.

As I said earlier, yes, RWD in SS/GT and Modified should have the same liberties as the FWD.

By the way, there are front suspension components for your Mustang, used by many in Super Stock that are legal in your car.and the cost is lower than a pair of Santhuff or Lamb struts with springs as used by many in Stock, Super Stock and Factory Stock.

https://opentrackerracing.com/produc...r-control-arms

[Jim Caughlin]

Originally Posted by FireSale

The rules for GT, Modified Stock and Modified all fall under the general rules for Super Stock. If Super Stock allows it, it's OK in GT, Modified Stock or Modified. FWD conversion cars are not permitted in SS and should not be allowed in the following classes that have to adhere to SS rules. The engine swap in GT came about to allow older SS cars to improve and keep up with modern engines. Before GT, a Nova or Mustang was limited to model year correct power plants.
In short, a Nova with an LS engine makes sense to me and a Sunfire with an LS doesn't.

I really don't like piling on HP in a vintage car and being limited to stock front suspension. There are bracket cars with better and safer front ends than my 68 Mustang.

You need to get a rule book and read the classification guide before you make some of these comments. First off, FWD conversion HP ratings are sperate so they don't 'pile on' any RWD combo. Secondly, RWD Modified cars do have looser front suspension rules than a conventional SS class, among other things you can convert to R&P. Thirdly, I have seen cars go in the 8's with SS legal '60's era Ford front suspension so not sure where the issue is, talk to the Thunderbolt guys. FWD conversion rules have been in place since the '80's so it's not like this is some new idea. In the end, everyone picks their poison, live with it. I don't even know why I'm getting in this argument.

[FireSale]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Didn't when Pontiac bring back the GTO it have an LS?


Stan

Yes and it.s a bad *** car, It is Australian and based on the Holden. It's US lineage is Grand Prix Coupe and Firebird.
I'm going to just read here now. It's interesting but I need to keep to myself.

[Frank Castros]

OMG this thread has come apart like a cheap suit.

[James Perrone]

Firesale. Stop trying so hard to change the world
You seem to talk a lot about something you know nothing about