Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68

DeuceCoupe · 10-31-2021, 09:11 PM

Doggone it all this digging, I looked at 1961 again:
https://skunkwerkssuperstock.wordpre...thering-storm/

Another small oops, excusable for a Mopar guy I guess:

The 1961 409 was a single 4v, 360hp.

The top 1962 409 was the Beach Boys "4-speed dual quad positraction 409"
"409 409"
The song actually sings 409/409, inches and HP rating.
The 409/409hp-8v was the 1st DUAL quad 409.

In LATE 62, the 63 service parts (heads & cam IIRC) came out that actually made the 409/409-8v effectively a 409/425hp-8v, even though it kept its 409hp rating.

For 63-64, that same engine became the 409/425hp-8v.

So pretty much every 409 car you saw in 1960s class racing was a 1962 car, with a 409/425hp-8v under the hood (but rated at 1962's 409hp) or a 409/400hp-4v under the hood (but rated at 1962's 380hp)

Not as convoluted as all those Mopar combos (ever count how many 383/330hp engines Mopar had?????) but still complicated.

Of course the Beach Boys song features a real 409 soundtrack.

This is fun stuff, glad the Nostalgia Stock section has some life again.

Rat Patrol · 10-31-2021, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe

Doggone it all this digging, I looked at 1961 again:
https://skunkwerkssuperstock.wordpre...thering-storm/

Another small oops, excusable for a Mopar guy I guess:

The 1961 409 was a single 4v, 360hp.

The top 1962 409 was the Beach Boys "4-speed dual quad positraction 409"
"409 409"
The song actually sings 409/409, inches and HP rating.
The 409/409hp-8v was the 1st DUAL quad 409.

In LATE 62, the 63 service parts (heads & cam IIRC) came out that actually made the 409/409-8v effectively a 409/425hp-8v, even though it kept its 409hp rating.

For 63-64, that same engine became the 409/425hp-8v.

So pretty much every 409 car you saw in 1960s class racing was a 1962 car, with a 409/425hp-8v under the hood (but rated at 1962's 409hp) or a 409/400hp-4v under the hood (but rated at 1962's 380hp)

Not as convoluted as all those Mopar combos (ever count how many 383/330hp engines Mopar had?????) but still complicated.

Of course the Beach Boys song features a real 409 soundtrack.

This is fun stuff, glad the Nostalgia Stock section has some life again.

Ive been advised by Raj Reddy who's a Chevy guru that Nicholson ran the dual quad set up, supplied by Chevrolet, at the 61 Nats..before it was commercially available..... hence it was in OS/S , not S/S.

“Mal - They received the dual quad setup and cam August 1961 prior to Indy ‘61 (placing them in OS/S) . Cars ran single four barrel 360 HP at ‘61 Pomona Winternats.“

DeuceCoupe · 10-31-2021, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

Ive been advised by Raj Reddy who's a Chevy guru that Nicholson ran the dual quad set up, supplied by Chevrolet, at the 61 Nats..before it was commercially available..... hence it was in OS/S , not S/S.

“Mal - They received the dual quad setup and cam August 1961 prior to Indy ‘61 (placing them in OS/S) . Cars ran single four barrel 360 HP at ‘61 Pomona Winternats.“

NHRA wisely started OS/S for that reason, too many "trunk & parts counter" combos coming out. The 390/401-6v Ford & 421/373-8v Pontiac got the same treatment, bumped into OS/S.

Very few 409s period were made in 1961, about 160 or so IIRC - let alone a dual quad version. Usually on the street it was the 348 Chevy that met the 390 Ford.

Was Nicholson the OS/S R/U at 61 Indy with that car or dont we know?

oldskool · 10-31-2021, 11:41 PM

"...Was Nicholson the OS/S R/U at 61 Indy with that car or dont we know?..."

In the Jr. Stock book, on p.14, it says that Proffitt "buried" Dave Strickler's 409...with an astounding 12.55. I suppose that means that Strickler was RU. Not sure. Could have been in an earlier round, I suppose.

One of the books says that Arnie Beswick won S/S. Don't mention the RU. Maybe that's the year Stan Antlocer was RU, in S/S.

Rat Patrol · 11-01-2021, 03:39 AM

Guys, just a side. note. - Don’t think I’m being ‘defensive’......

I was taught to explain my rationale...and fix my errors.

Sometimes my errors become a little overwhelming however...and large posts detailing a lot of ‘issues’ create a lot of workload.

That said, I really appreciate the help...just trust my research and point out the glaring errors 😆

10-31-2021, 09:11 PM	#1
DeuceCoupe Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 274 Likes: 98 Liked 48 Times in 44 Posts	Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68 Doggone it all this digging, I looked at 1961 again: https://skunkwerkssuperstock.wordpre...thering-storm/ Another small oops, excusable for a Mopar guy I guess: The 1961 409 was a single 4v, 360hp. The top 1962 409 was the Beach Boys "4-speed dual quad positraction 409" "409 409" The song actually sings 409/409, inches and HP rating. The 409/409hp-8v was the 1st DUAL quad 409. In LATE 62, the 63 service parts (heads & cam IIRC) came out that actually made the 409/409-8v effectively a 409/425hp-8v, even though it kept its 409hp rating. For 63-64, that same engine became the 409/425hp-8v. So pretty much every 409 car you saw in 1960s class racing was a 1962 car, with a 409/425hp-8v under the hood (but rated at 1962's 409hp) or a 409/400hp-4v under the hood (but rated at 1962's 380hp) Not as convoluted as all those Mopar combos (ever count how many 383/330hp engines Mopar had?????) but still complicated. Of course the Beach Boys song features a real 409 soundtrack. This is fun stuff, glad the Nostalgia Stock section has some life again.

10-31-2021, 11:41 PM	#4
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68 "...Was Nicholson the OS/S R/U at 61 Indy with that car or dont we know?..." In the Jr. Stock book, on p.14, it says that Proffitt "buried" Dave Strickler's 409...with an astounding 12.55. I suppose that means that Strickler was RU. Not sure. Could have been in an earlier round, I suppose. One of the books says that Arnie Beswick won S/S. Don't mention the RU. Maybe that's the year Stan Antlocer was RU, in S/S. Last edited by oldskool; 11-01-2021 at 12:10 AM.

11-01-2021, 03:39 AM	#5
Rat Patrol Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 171 Likes: 69 Liked 32 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68 Guys, just a side. note. - Don’t think I’m being ‘defensive’...... I was taught to explain my rationale...and fix my errors. Sometimes my errors become a little overwhelming however...and large posts detailing a lot of ‘issues’ create a lot of workload. That said, I really appreciate the help...just trust my research and point out the glaring errors 😆