Stick vs Auto

Race Clean · 10-07-2021, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by oldskool

But if you really wanna win some rounds & races, go with the auto.

No one ever told that to the Waldo's,Calvert,Helms,etc.

Rich67stang · 10-07-2021, 12:06 PM

Rich,

My 68 428 Cobra Jet with a stick is factored @ 366HP, With an Automatic it is factored @
380. Why? because there were so many Auto cars beating the crap out of the index over the years and very few Stick cars beating their index. I am assuming this is the same for your combo.

Racing a stick is much more fun than an Auto and you can win just the same. Good racers/Drivers win regardless of stick/Auto IMO. I only switched to an Auto for now because my daughter will drive it next season. That Nova would be a fun ride as a stick. Good Luck.

Rod Greene · 10-08-2021, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich67stang

Rich,

My 68 428 Cobra Jet with a stick is factored @ 366HP, With an Automatic it is factored @
380. Why? because there were so many Auto cars beating the crap out of the index over the years and very few Stick cars beating their index. I am assuming this is the same for your combo.

Racing a stick is much more fun than an Auto and you can win just the same. Good racers/Drivers win regardless of stick/Auto IMO. I only switched to an Auto for now because my daughter will drive it next season. That Nova would be a fun ride as a stick. Good Luck.

Sounds a little sexist. Teach her to drive a stick.

Mark Yacavone · 10-07-2021, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Race Clean

No one ever told that to the Waldo's,Calvert,Helms,etc.

Keen, Peters, Comella, Zaskowski

It's no secret there are more automatic cars out there. Those number comparisons won't work.
I remember 2-3 stick drivers in the Top 10.That's a huge number by comparison.
Brad Z finished #2 in S/S a couple years ago. I believe he was the only stick driver in the first 200.. Does that say that he was a better driver than the first 199 automatic drivers? Can it be then said it's easier to win with a stick S/S-er? You be the judge.
Also no secret that stick cars require more drive line maintenance. Some folks are unwilling or not motivated to do that work. Some auto cars sit in the box all week long. When they come out, they're not winning anything either.

Bracket racing ; I've won brackets with 40-50 cars, where I was the only stick car on the grounds. How does that support the automatic for consistency train of thought?

Bottom line, in MY opinion.. There is not right or wrong conclusion here. It isn't easier either way. It depends on the driver . If someone is having trouble winning with a stick car and converts to an automatic, they're probably not going to win anything then either. ;-)

Tom Meyer · 10-07-2021, 08:33 PM

ar#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
339L Randi Lyn Shipp 5411 Chris Knudsen
E6 -0.018 10.912 93.99 ****WINNER**** 0.009 10.910 105.31
D/SA Dial: 10.64 (+/-): 0.272 C/S Dial: 10.66 (+/-): 0.250
Prior rounds:
E5 (P Devore ) 0.017 10.650 0.030 (B Speer ) 0.004 10.670 0.040
E4 (D Whalen ) 0.035 10.582 0.012 (J Lopez ) 0.034 10.534 0.014
E3 (L Deforrest ) 0.016 10.610 0.020 (G Emmons ) 0.005 10.585 -0.005
E2 (L Henderson ) 0.036 10.627 0.047 (J Tolston ) 0.004 10.556 0.006
E1 (J Emmons ) 0.033 10.784 0.224 (G Picek ) 0.000 10.558 0.038
Qualified: #6 10.609 -0.941 #25 10.583 -0.767

oldskool · 10-07-2021, 10:16 PM

I LOVE it !!!!

These highly competitive threads are really good entertainment !

ALMOST makes me wonder why most all racers don't run a stick. LOL

4406mopar · 10-08-2021, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by oldskool

I LOVE it !!!!

These highly competitive threads are really good entertainment !

ALMOST makes me wonder why most all racers don't run a stick. LOL

Running either one is better than just running your mouth.

J&S Racing · 10-08-2021, 03:27 AM

It’s called a man handle for a reason

rboyle · 10-08-2021, 05:25 AM

I guess my question is not clear. Basically looking at same combo is the 4 speed faster than .15 over the auto? Liberty vs Metric 200 both well prepped. Not asking which is more manly or even more consistent. Maybe which brand of 4 speed manufacture is preferred too?

Rich67stang · 10-08-2021, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rboyle

I guess my question is not clear. Basically looking at same combo is the 4 speed faster than .15 over the auto? Liberty vs Metric 200 both well prepped. Not asking which is more manly or even more consistent. Maybe which brand of 4 speed manufacture is preferred too?

Rich,

For your combo you would probably use a Jerico or Gforce transmission with a Mcleod Soft Lok single or dual disk clutch. I get my clutches done by Advanced Clutches. Not any faster if the Converter and trans gears were correct in auto, IMO.

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Tom Meyer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Pierce NE Posts: 937 Likes: 78 Liked 354 Times in 120 Posts	Re: Stick vs Auto ar#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed 339L Randi Lyn Shipp 5411 Chris Knudsen E6 -0.018 10.912 93.99 **WINNER** 0.009 10.910 105.31 D/SA Dial: 10.64 (+/-): 0.272 C/S Dial: 10.66 (+/-): 0.250 Prior rounds: E5 (P Devore ) 0.017 10.650 0.030 (B Speer ) 0.004 10.670 0.040 E4 (D Whalen ) 0.035 10.582 0.012 (J Lopez ) 0.034 10.534 0.014 E3 (L Deforrest ) 0.016 10.610 0.020 (G Emmons ) 0.005 10.585 -0.005 E2 (L Henderson ) 0.036 10.627 0.047 (J Tolston ) 0.004 10.556 0.006 E1 (J Emmons ) 0.033 10.784 0.224 (G Picek ) 0.000 10.558 0.038 Qualified: #6 10.609 -0.941 #25 10.583 -0.767 __________________ Tom Meyer 5240 SS Stock ???

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J&S Racing Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 291 Likes: 104 Liked 327 Times in 87 Posts	Re: Stick vs Auto It’s called a man handle for a reason

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rboyle Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 609 Likes: 1,463 Liked 602 Times in 165 Posts	Re: Stick vs Auto I guess my question is not clear. Basically looking at same combo is the 4 speed faster than .15 over the auto? Liberty vs Metric 200 both well prepped. Not asking which is more manly or even more consistent. Maybe which brand of 4 speed manufacture is preferred too?

10-07-2021, 12:06 PM	#2
Rich67stang Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Jackson, NJ Posts: 313 Likes: 3 Liked 116 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Stick vs Auto Rich, My 68 428 Cobra Jet with a stick is factored @ 366HP, With an Automatic it is factored @ 380. Why? because there were so many Auto cars beating the crap out of the index over the years and very few Stick cars beating their index. I am assuming this is the same for your combo. Racing a stick is much more fun than an Auto and you can win just the same. Good racers/Drivers win regardless of stick/Auto IMO. I only switched to an Auto for now because my daughter will drive it next season. That Nova would be a fun ride as a stick. Good Luck. __________________ Richard Preiser 1613 FGT/I 1510 C/SA 161 F/DA Last edited by Rich67stang; 10-07-2021 at 12:11 PM.

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oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 748 Times in 363 Posts	Re: Stick vs Auto I LOVE it !!!! These highly competitive threads are really good entertainment ! ALMOST makes me wonder why most all racers don't run a stick. LOL Last edited by oldskool; 10-07-2021 at 10:19 PM.