Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68

[Rat Patrol]

Thx DC thats a huge help - I’ll be posting a clipping from a mag.that will interest you later! 😉

[Rat Patrol]

They got the car down to high 11s with slicks.

Main thing is, they confirm SS/B with R code, SS/C with W Code

Mag is dated Sept 67.

[oldskool]

Since I'm always lookin for the Pontiacs, I couldn't help but notice that the new RAIV powered Pontiacs won D/S & D/SA.

Rod Kister had won the Stock points championship in '68, with his big '60 Pontiac rec holder, also named "Big Iron". Then the '69 Judge was followed by a '70 Judge Big Iron.

Not familiar with the other driver's name.

John Thropp ran at least 2 different '57 Pontiac bodies.

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by oldskool

Since I'm always lookin for the Pontiacs, I couldn't help but notice that the new RAIV powered Pontiacs won D/S & D/SA.

Rod Kister had won the Stock points championship in '68, with his big '60 Pontiac rec holder, also named "Big Iron". Then the '69 Judge was followed by a '70 Judge Big Iron.

Not familiar with the other driver's name.

John Thropp ran at least 2 different '57 Pontiac bodies.

In learning this the Kister Big Iron story is another I've tried to follow.
His 1960 389/363hp Super Duty car, followed by a 400/370hp (factored to 380hp) RamAir4 69 GTO, and then a "base" 400/350hp 70 GTO, all with national wins/records.

Kister was runner-up in D/S=9.00 class here at 69 Indy. The narrative I have says Robertson won D/S, but in a 69 Buick and no Buick will fit that class. So I guessed Robertson ran either a RamAir4 or a Z28.

Then from this picture out of Petersen, found with the help of another Class Racer, I concluded this was probably the D/S race where probably Robertson in the Z28 won against runner-up Kister in the 69 RamAir4

https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=320033

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe

In learning this the Kister Big Iron story is another I've tried to follow.
His 1960 389/363hp Super Duty car, followed by a 400/370hp (factored to 380hp) RamAir4 69 GTO, and then a "base" 400/350hp 70 GTO, all with national wins/records.

Kister was runner-up in D/S=9.00 class here at 69 Indy. The narrative I have says Robertson won D/S, but in a 69 Buick and no Buick will fit that class. So I guessed Robertson ran either a RamAir4 or a Z28.

Then from this picture out of Petersen, found with the help of another Class Racer, I concluded this was probably the D/S race where probably Robertson in the Z28 won against runner-up Kister in the 69 RamAir4

https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=320033

OK, I think I finally see what you're doin.

You listed 3 POSSIBLE D/S driver/car combo winners, since you were not SURE who, or which combo, won.

I only looked for the blue color to check out the Pontiacs. Never even noticed there were more than one D/S listed.

NOW, do you have any more info on the single D/SA driver you have listed, "b bunker" ?

That name does not ring a bell, for me. I have pics of lots of '69 GTO's. I don't know the names of the driver, or drivers, of all of 'em. If the guy's name was Bill or Billy, I suppose the "Billy's Goat" car I have a pic of could be the car. But it's a long shot.

Would like to know more about that reference to Peterson. How do you look up drag car pics there ?

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by oldskool

OK, I think I finally see what you're doin.

You listed 3 POSSIBLE D/S driver/car combo winners, since you were not SURE who, or which combo, won.

I only looked for the blue color to check out the Pontiacs. Never even noticed there were more than one D/S listed.

NOW, do you have any more info on the single D/SA driver you have listed, "b bunker" ?

That name does not ring a bell, for me. I have pics of lots of '69 GTO's. I don't know the names of the driver, or drivers, of all of 'em. If the guy's name was Bill or Billy, I suppose the "Billy's Goat" car I have a pic of could be the car. But it's a long shot.

Would like to know more about that reference to Peterson. How do you look up drag car pics there ?

Exactly!
I'll just make some guesses when I dont know.

All I have on b bunker D/SA is:

bill bunker, N Miami FL

Oh man you will enjoy all those pictures!
On Petersen: Here's how to look them up.

Single picture if known:
https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=940202


General Search for a Meet: Start eg here:
https://archive.petersen.org/pages/home.php

Then click the1960s box. (Doing that will take you here):
https://archive.petersen.org/pages/s...=&k=&restypes=

Then type:
“1969 nhra springnationals”
Into the search box. (without the quotes)
16 pages of cars comes up, all PROBABLY from that meet.

you can search stuff like 1964 winternationals, 1965 US nationals, etc.
Not all the meets are in there, but a lot of them are.

[Rat Patrol]

DC - Couple of possibke amendments for your 69 list.

1 - ‘Ben’ Wolfe’ - B/SA SpringNats - Try this guy

https://www.motortrend.com/features/...69-pontiac-gto

2 - Re Tom Schumacher, B/Stock Indy - Just a factoid.....The car he beat was his old Fairlane Hardtop W Code. The driver, was not only the guy he sold it to, but Tom had borrowed this guys steel hood off his street car at the. springNats when tech disallowed his glass hood! Small world!

I have asked Ronnie Crawford to try and find out his name - Ronnie crewed for Tom.

3 - I cannot find A NY reference to a P Scalla on the net...most frustrating!

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe

In learning this the Kister Big Iron story is another I've tried to follow.
His 1960 389/363hp Super Duty car, followed by a 400/370hp (factored to 380hp) RamAir4 69 GTO, and then a "base" 400/350hp 70 GTO, all with national wins/records.

Kister was runner-up in D/S=9.00 class here at 69 Indy. The narrative I have says Robertson won D/S, but in a 69 Buick and no Buick will fit that class. So I guessed Robertson ran either a RamAir4 or a Z28.

Then from this picture out of Petersen, found with the help of another Class Racer, I concluded this was probably the D/S race where probably Robertson in the Z28 won against runner-up Kister in the 69 RamAir4

https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=320033

DC - Your 69 Indy list has a Z28 winning E/Stock (Durbin)....so not sure how one could also win D/Stock?

Sorry if that sends you back to the drawing board....

[Rat Patrol]

Davisson won D/SA atthe 69 winters in a 62 Pontiac

McClelland ran the 383cui/333hp Tempest 4V motor in D/Stock Auto
Max Sterling ran the same combo in D/Stock

....both at 69 SpringNats

What combo would Wolf have run in B/SA at the 69 SpringNats? I’m guessing it was the 68 A/SA Springnats car - which was a 421/405 , like the pic Old School posted.

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

Davisson won D/SA atthe 69 winters in a 62 Pontiac

McClelland ran the 383cui/333hp Tempest 4V motor in D/Stock Auto
Max Sterling ran the same combo in D/Stock

....both at 69 SpringNats

What combo would Wolf have run in B/SA at the 69 SpringNats? I’m guessing it was the 68 A/SA Springnats car - which was a 421/405 , like the pic Old School posted.

OK wait:
I have Davisson winning 69 Winter D/S=9.00 in a 62 Cat 421SD.

McClelland in 69 Spring D/SA=9.00, also 62 Cat 421SD
Sterling in 69 Spring D/S=9.00, again 62 Cat 421SD

The 61 Cat/Ventura 389/333hp has a W/P of just over 11, which would run way down in H/SA=11.00 class in 1969.

The Wolf car 69 Spring B/SA=8.00 could not be a 62 Cat 421SD - those cars are just too heavy.
The lightest aluminum 62 421 SuperDuty Cat I see is the aluminum front 2-door sedan at
3609/405=8.91 which would run in C/SA=8.50 but a bad fit.
The big 421SD always ran at W/P=9.01 from 1968-up which would be D/S=9.00 or D/SA=9.00 in 1969.

A 63 Swiss Cheese Cat could run up in B/SA=8.00 but those were never stock legal - not enough made.