Just talkin' here #5

[joe huestis]

Need some more lower class stockers. M through W. Come on guys, jump in, the water’s fine !

[Jack McCarthy]

You might feel different if over 100 combinations that fit YOUR class were given 30+hp off relegating you to a lifetime of losing class races to cars that were given the gift ... yea getting 600 pounds off generates people taking advantage of the situation >>> the class guide is FULL of good combos you of all people know that why should NHRA screw those of us who picked a combo by making it uncompetitive??? And to rub salt into it they gave 100+ combos this gift in one action BUT they get hit with hp back as individual combos 😡

Give an A/SA car 30hp off and there would be a riot

Captain

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

You might feel different if over 100 combinations that fit YOUR class were given 30+hp off relegating you to a lifetime of losing class races to cars that were given the gift ... yea getting 600 pounds off generates people taking advantage of the situation >>> the class guide is FULL of good combos you of all people know that why should NHRA screw those of us who picked a combo by making it uncompetitive??? And to rub salt into it they gave 100+ combos this gift in one action BUT they get hit with hp back as individual combos 😡

Give an A/SA car 30hp off and there would be a riot

Captain

Jack, I get it. I got beat up by the same combos you did AND by some others that you know of. At least you got a "gift" of your own to help you stay competitive. I'm still waiting for my "gift".
The combos that I would like them to focus on are the combos that just got arbitrarily handed a bad factor 20-30-40 years ago and got forgotten about.
There has to be some kind of a happy medium that NHRA can come up with to get some "affordable" combos the help that they need without the full-blown "welfare" give mes.
As it stands, there's no rationale for a Racer to build a decent, affordable but not very competitive car and have to race it for 10 years getting 2-3 HP back a year.

[Steve Stickel]

[QUOTE=Billy Nees;
The combos that I would like them to focus on are the combos that just got arbitrarily handed a bad factor 20-30-40 years ago and got forgotten about.
There has to be some kind of a happy medium that NHRA can come up with to get some "affordable" combos the help that they need without the full-blown "welfare" give mes.
As it stands, there's no rationale for a Racer to build a decent, affordable but not very competitive car and have to race it for 10 years getting 2-3 HP back a year.[/QUOTE]




Agree, and how about a couple of newer street cars (traditional stockers w /17 digit vins) as bad factor examples which need to be corrected also... the '10 Camaro, and the 11-14 Mustangs, (seen any lately? ) while the street 09 up Challengers and '15 LS3's are out there racing and getting AHFS HP ?

[bigshow2966]

Originally Posted by joe huestis

Need some more lower class stockers. M through W. Come on guys, jump in, the water’s fine !

I'm gathering up parts for a V/SA Volare. Does that count?

[oldskool]

I'm an outsider, with no dog in the hunt.

I know this post will draw darts, arrows, grenades, & maybe even bombs.

BUT, after reading about how many of you guys gripe & complain when another car in your class gets any help from NHRA, it appears to me that the easiest solution, & what would be MOST fair for all racers, in any particular class, is to do away with heads-up runs, during eliminations.

For those with the quickest cars in a class, there could still be class run-offs at some races, for the classes which had enuff guys who wanted to run for a class win.

It has to be so disappointing, for a guy who has already spent more than he should have, just to get his car safely under his index, only to spend all the money to get to & enter a race, then get put out in a early round, by a same class car, that is quicker than him. It's great for the quicker car. He basically gets a bye & a free time trial. Don't even have to try for a real good light.

I know some will say this makes it more like bracket racing, and they've already done that. But heads-up racing favors the guys who have more money to spend. And these guys will always gripe when some NHRA action reduces their chance of an easy heads-up win.

So, as mentioned, if you guys REALLY want more Stock entries, doing away with heads-up runs during elims, MIGHT be one way to get some new entries. Brent Flynn always come to my mind. He was running bracket, but built a low budget stocker engine & ran it some. But at the larger div races he wouldn't have much of a chance in a heads-up run, since there are usually some quick cars in C/SA thru F/SA. But, IF there were no heads-up races during elims, Brent would have a good shot at a win, even if he had a round against a same class car.

I suppose this might be a deal where the "haves" are on one side & the "have nots" are on the other.

Again, I have no dog in the hunt. But, I'm interested in this discussion, among you guys who do.

[Mike Pearson]

Originally Posted by oldskool

I'm an outsider, with no dog in the hunt.

I know this post will draw darts, arrows, grenades, & maybe even bombs.

BUT, after reading about how many of you guys gripe & complain when another car in your class gets any help from NHRA, it appears to me that the easiest solution, & what would be MOST fair for all racers, in any particular class, is to do away with heads-up runs, during eliminations.

For those with the quickest cars in a class, there could still be class run-offs at some races, for the classes which had enuff guys who wanted to run for a class win.

It has to be so disappointing, for a guy who has already spent more than he should have, just to get his car safely under his index, only to spend all the money to get to & enter a race, then get put out in a early round, by a same class car, that is quicker than him. It's great for the quicker car. He basically gets a bye & a free time trial. Don't even have to try for a real good light.

I know some will say this makes it more like bracket racing, and they've already done that. But heads-up racing favors the guys who have more money to spend. And these guys will always gripe when some NHRA action reduces their chance of an easy heads-up win.

So, as mentioned, if you guys REALLY want more Stock entries, doing away with heads-up runs during elims, MIGHT be one way to get some new entries. Brent Flynn always come to my mind. He was running bracket, but built a low budget stocker engine & ran it some. But at the larger div races he wouldn't have much of a chance in a heads-up run, since there are usually some quick cars in C/SA thru F/SA. But, IF there were no heads-up races during elims, Brent would have a good shot at a win, even if he had a round against a same class car.

I suppose this might be a deal where the "haves" are on one side & the "have nots" are on the other.

Again, I have no dog in the hunt. But, I'm interested in this discussion, among you guys who do.

I am bottom of the sheet qualifier. I have no issue with heads up during eliminations. When you are not the fastest in the class and you get matched up for a heads up you just accept it and move on. I run in a popular class and it happens to me periodically. It does suck to travel 600-700 miles one way and get a heads up. I do what I can to work the ladder and the fast guys do the same to try to get the heads up races. That's just part of why we race these classes. I usually have a tenth left in my set up but when the difference is 3 tenths then I don't have anything for that. There are some soft combos in my class. I don't think doing away with heads up runs will help with car count.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by oldskool

I'm an outsider, with no dog in the hunt.

I know this post will draw darts, arrows, grenades, & maybe even bombs.

BUT, after reading about how many of you guys gripe & complain when another car in your class gets any help from NHRA, it appears to me that the easiest solution, & what would be MOST fair for all racers, in any particular class, is to do away with heads-up runs, during eliminations.

For those with the quickest cars in a class, there could still be class run-offs at some races, for the classes which had enuff guys who wanted to run for a class win.

It has to be so disappointing, for a guy who has already spent more than he should have, just to get his car safely under his index, only to spend all the money to get to & enter a race, then get put out in a early round, by a same class car, that is quicker than him. It's great for the quicker car. He basically gets a bye & a free time trial. Don't even have to try for a real good light.

I know some will say this makes it more like bracket racing, and they've already done that. But heads-up racing favors the guys who have more money to spend. And these guys will always gripe when some NHRA action reduces their chance of an easy heads-up win.

So, as mentioned, if you guys REALLY want more Stock entries, doing away with heads-up runs during elims, MIGHT be one way to get some new entries. Brent Flynn always come to my mind. He was running bracket, but built a low budget stocker engine & ran it some. But at the larger div races he wouldn't have much of a chance in a heads-up run, since there are usually some quick cars in C/SA thru F/SA. But, IF there were no heads-up races during elims, Brent would have a good shot at a win, even if he had a round against a same class car.

I suppose this might be a deal where the "haves" are on one side & the "have nots" are on the other.

Again, I have no dog in the hunt. But, I'm interested in this discussion, among you guys who do.

YOU should keep comments like these to yourself until you build your own car and get some skin in the game!
People who don't vote shouldn't talk politics. (but keep posting your Pontiac stuff)

[cmracing]

Originally Posted by oldskool

I'm an outsider, with no dog in the hunt.

I know this post will draw darts, arrows, grenades, & maybe even bombs.

BUT, after reading about how many of you guys gripe & complain when another car in your class gets any help from NHRA, it appears to me that the easiest solution, & what would be MOST fair for all racers, in any particular class, is to do away with heads-up runs, during eliminations.

For those with the quickest cars in a class, there could still be class run-offs at some races, for the classes which had enuff guys who wanted to run for a class win.

It has to be so disappointing, for a guy who has already spent more than he should have, just to get his car safely under his index, only to spend all the money to get to & enter a race, then get put out in a early round, by a same class car, that is quicker than him. It's great for the quicker car. He basically gets a bye & a free time trial. Don't even have to try for a real good light.

I know some will say this makes it more like bracket racing, and they've already done that. But heads-up racing favors the guys who have more money to spend. And these guys will always gripe when some NHRA action reduces their chance of an easy heads-up win.

So, as mentioned, if you guys REALLY want more Stock entries, doing away with heads-up runs during elims, MIGHT be one way to get some new entries. Brent Flynn always come to my mind. He was running bracket, but built a low budget stocker engine & ran it some. But at the larger div races he wouldn't have much of a chance in a heads-up run, since there are usually some quick cars in C/SA thru F/SA. But, IF there were no heads-up races during elims, Brent would have a good shot at a win, even if he had a round against a same class car.

I suppose this might be a deal where the "haves" are on one side & the "have nots" are on the other.

Again, I have no dog in the hunt. But, I'm interested in this discussion, among you guys who do.

Then what is the point of Stock Eliminator? You are asking for a Bracket Race with cars that need to be built to specific rules, but for what reason?

Are there to be a few races a year where there WILL be heads-up runs?

Plenty of people race Stock Eliminator for the challenge of building a legal car and trying to make it run quicker than others in the same class. Others just want to be part of the "show" at a National Event, Bracket Racers can't participate at those events, usually.............

[Adam Strang]

Originally Posted by oldskool

I'm an outsider, with no dog in the hunt.

I know this post will draw darts, arrows, grenades, & maybe even bombs.

BUT, after reading about how many of you guys gripe & complain when another car in your class gets any help from NHRA, it appears to me that the easiest solution, & what would be MOST fair for all racers, in any particular class, is to do away with heads-up runs, during eliminations.

For those with the quickest cars in a class, there could still be class run-offs at some races, for the classes which had enuff guys who wanted to run for a class win.

It has to be so disappointing, for a guy who has already spent more than he should have, just to get his car safely under his index, only to spend all the money to get to & enter a race, then get put out in a early round, by a same class car, that is quicker than him. It's great for the quicker car. He basically gets a bye & a free time trial. Don't even have to try for a real good light.

I know some will say this makes it more like bracket racing, and they've already done that. But heads-up racing favors the guys who have more money to spend. And these guys will always gripe when some NHRA action reduces their chance of an easy heads-up win.

So, as mentioned, if you guys REALLY want more Stock entries, doing away with heads-up runs during elims, MIGHT be one way to get some new entries. Brent Flynn always come to my mind. He was running bracket, but built a low budget stocker engine & ran it some. But at the larger div races he wouldn't have much of a chance in a heads-up run, since there are usually some quick cars in C/SA thru F/SA. But, IF there were no heads-up races during elims, Brent would have a good shot at a win, even if he had a round against a same class car.

I suppose this might be a deal where the "haves" are on one side & the "have nots" are on the other.

Again, I have no dog in the hunt. But, I'm interested in this discussion, among you guys who do.

I say f*** you to getting rid of heads up runs. Ok,so Brent and anyone else for that matter has worked hard on his stuff and it hasn't really gone any faster, so we should change the rules? I say no,maybe he needs to step up his game. My car was a slug when I started out and I kept plugging away at it, that's what Stock and Super Stock are all about. Like Billy said stop pounding away on the key board and build a car get out there and have some fun! Besides the faster car doesn't always win a heads up race.