Dumbo The Flying Elephant

Larry Hill · 08-03-2019, 09:38 PM

Today should have been great, Chris and I were working together. We have not done that in a while. Plan of attack : me work on engine until he arrives then we remove the front bumper cover so we can install engine, converter, and trans. First we decide to check all bolt torque on rear suspension and mark each one that we check. I don't want anything exciting happing on the way down the track.

With the engine being quite tall I had to add links to the lifting chain, spreader bar. When installing the engine the dip stick is in the way, raise it back up and remove dip stick and plug hole. lowering the engine ,we think, is the last time only to see the new alternator bracket not allowing the motor mount to be attached. I worked on the work around for bracket and mount until it was no fun. Then I turned out the lights and quit. When it not fun I will quit

Larry Hill · 08-04-2019, 06:16 AM

Its 5:15 AM having coffee I will be in shop by 5:45 AM.

Larry Hill · 08-04-2019, 09:44 PM

8:30 and just finished supper. Left the shop at 8

m. The junk CSR puts out and sells made it a very long day. The stuff did not fit within a half a hole. You can't even put the bolts in and have them be 90* to anything. If its modified CSR will not recertify. If CSR would QC check the shield it would not be necessary to modify. News Flash CSR " Almost rite is still WRONG!"

Time to get cleaned up and ready for bed, so I can do it all again tomorrow, starting bright and early

Larry Hill · 08-06-2019, 06:45 AM

It's amazing how a good night sleep changes a persons outlook on a problem that was so large yesterday. Me using poor judgement almost ruined the threads in the aluminum block where the trans mounts. The fix was remove casting flashing from the trans. Smooth the depressions for the bolts in trans bellhousing. Remove steel bushings and give them .015'' more radial clearance. Slot the shield to move bushing to the centerline of the bolt hole. Enlarging the hole in the shield wont work because the bushing will fall out during installation. The shield floats on the bushings. Straighten the damaged threads in the block. Clean threaded holes, examine bolts for burs and damage threads, repair if necessary, antiseaze, and test fit. Install trans and install bolts with fingers at least four turns in, to verify bolts are not cross threaded. What could be more simple than that?

Does anyone make a locking dip stick that bolts up to a 727 with a shield installed, that does not require modification?

Play time is over back to work!

Mike Pearson · 08-06-2019, 08:32 AM

Wow sure sounds like you have had your hands full with this build. Most anything I buy for my car requires some "fitting". I am sure it will be worth the effort when its all done and on the track racing. Best of luck getting it wrapped up for Bowling Green and Indy.

Ed Carpenter · 08-07-2019, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Pearson

Wow sure sounds like you have had your hands full with this build. Most anything I buy for my car requires some "fitting". I am sure it will be worth the effort when its all done and on the track racing. Best of luck getting it wrapped up for Bowling Green and Indy.

Does anything just bolt up on a race car lol. Thanks for letting us in on the build Larry. Will be cool to see what it does at the track.

denbreeden · 08-06-2019, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill

It's amazing how a good night sleep changes a persons outlook on a problem that was so large yesterday. Me using poor judgement almost ruined the threads in the aluminum block where the trans mounts. The fix was remove casting flashing from the trans. Smooth the depressions for the bolts in trans bellhousing. Remove steel bushings and give them .015'' more radial clearance. Slot the shield to move bushing to the centerline of the bolt hole. Enlarging the hole in the shield wont work because the bushing will fall out during installation. The shield floats on the bushings. Straighten the damaged threads in the block. Clean threaded holes, examine bolts for burs and damage threads, repair if necessary, antiseaze, and test fit. Install trans and install bolts with fingers at least four turns in, to verify bolts are not cross threaded. What could be more simple than that?

Does anyone make a locking dip stick that bolts up to a 727 with a shield installed, that does not require modification?

Play time is over back to work!

I think mine is a Lokar, flexible braided line for the tube. I'll try and send a picture of mine.

Dennis Breeden

Larry Hill · 08-06-2019, 09:59 AM

Thanks

Mack Reeves · 08-06-2019, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by denbreeden

I think mine is a Lokar, flexible braided line for the tube. I'll try and send a picture of mine.

Dennis Breeden

Larry, mine is a Lokar as well.. One thing is make sure the full line is really full.. I burnt two trannys up before realizing full on the dip stick isn't really full.. I took the tranny pan off and marked the dip stick at the base of the tranny.. Took a file to it.. Now fill to that mark.. all has been well since.. Just what happened to me.. Mack

Frank Castros · 08-06-2019, 06:25 PM

Great advice provided by Mack, but Larry you are into Dumbo very, very deep. I can't wait to see the fruits of your dedication and labor.

08-03-2019, 09:38 PM	#1
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,642 Likes: 1,940 Liked 10,721 Times in 2,232 Posts	Re: Dumbo The Flying Elephant Today should have been great, Chris and I were working together. We have not done that in a while. Plan of attack : me work on engine until he arrives then we remove the front bumper cover so we can install engine, converter, and trans. First we decide to check all bolt torque on rear suspension and mark each one that we check. I don't want anything exciting happing on the way down the track. With the engine being quite tall I had to add links to the lifting chain, spreader bar. When installing the engine the dip stick is in the way, raise it back up and remove dip stick and plug hole. lowering the engine ,we think, is the last time only to see the new alternator bracket not allowing the motor mount to be attached. I worked on the work around for bracket and mount until it was no fun. Then I turned out the lights and quit. When it not fun I will quit __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

08-04-2019, 06:16 AM	#2
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,642 Likes: 1,940 Liked 10,721 Times in 2,232 Posts	Re: Dumbo The Flying Elephant Its 5:15 AM having coffee I will be in shop by 5:45 AM. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

08-04-2019, 09:44 PM	#3
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,642 Likes: 1,940 Liked 10,721 Times in 2,232 Posts	Re: Dumbo The Flying Elephant 8:30 and just finished supper. Left the shop at 8m. The junk CSR puts out and sells made it a very long day. The stuff did not fit within a half a hole. You can't even put the bolts in and have them be 90* to anything. If its modified CSR will not recertify. If CSR would QC check the shield it would not be necessary to modify. News Flash CSR " Almost rite is still WRONG!" Time to get cleaned up and ready for bed, so I can do it all again tomorrow, starting bright and early __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

08-06-2019, 06:45 AM	#4
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,642 Likes: 1,940 Liked 10,721 Times in 2,232 Posts	Re: Dumbo The Flying Elephant It's amazing how a good night sleep changes a persons outlook on a problem that was so large yesterday. Me using poor judgement almost ruined the threads in the aluminum block where the trans mounts. The fix was remove casting flashing from the trans. Smooth the depressions for the bolts in trans bellhousing. Remove steel bushings and give them .015'' more radial clearance. Slot the shield to move bushing to the centerline of the bolt hole. Enlarging the hole in the shield wont work because the bushing will fall out during installation. The shield floats on the bushings. Straighten the damaged threads in the block. Clean threaded holes, examine bolts for burs and damage threads, repair if necessary, antiseaze, and test fit. Install trans and install bolts with fingers at least four turns in, to verify bolts are not cross threaded. What could be more simple than that? Does anyone make a locking dip stick that bolts up to a 727 with a shield installed, that does not require modification? Play time is over back to work! __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

08-06-2019, 08:32 AM	#5
Mike Pearson VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,451 Likes: 615 Liked 1,937 Times in 582 Posts	Re: Dumbo The Flying Elephant Wow sure sounds like you have had your hands full with this build. Most anything I buy for my car requires some "fitting". I am sure it will be worth the effort when its all done and on the track racing. Best of luck getting it wrapped up for Bowling Green and Indy. __________________ Mike Pearson 2485 SS

08-06-2019, 09:59 AM	#8
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,642 Likes: 1,940 Liked 10,721 Times in 2,232 Posts	Re: Dumbo The Flying Elephant Thanks __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

08-06-2019, 06:25 PM	#10
Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 2,975 Likes: 2,599 Liked 2,727 Times in 961 Posts	Re: Dumbo The Flying Elephant Great advice provided by Mack, but Larry you are into Dumbo very, very deep. I can't wait to see the fruits of your dedication and labor.