Excessive Breaking? - Page 9

SStockDart · 02-28-2017, 08:51 PM

The way the rule is written, if you hit the wall or timing lights, you are dq'd. You are dq'd anyway regardless of braking, right?

voltdr · 02-28-2017, 09:09 PM

In 2007, at the Winter Nationals, R2, SC, I was fortunate that the guy (Guy Agauyo) in the right lane got on the brakes (he won that round) but crashed a borrowed race car, just behind me. In reality, if this decision will make at least one person dial their car more honestly and not have to be so hard on the brakes as to lose control, then all is good. We all like to think we are under control while braking at 125-185 mph. More likely, we are just lucky.
Dan Foley
SC4698

HR9121 · 02-28-2017, 09:59 PM

Last time I will comment I promise, I don't want sound stupid but if this is a DQ hundreds should of been gone before him!
I agree if you got a maniac out there dragging brakes and sticking his nose in the stripe he should be out! I run 112 mph against cars as fast as 150 so far and I grab the brake on almost every run. I use my throttle alot too, but I shouldn't have to go to the next race of fear of being tossed if this is what they are ruling excessive.
I don't see anything wrong with what he did at all and it might be time for some y'all to hit the Rec softball league.

Mark Yacavone · 02-28-2017, 10:34 PM

Figured I might as well comment on this issue. Seems like everyone else already has.
First of all, I've known the Emmons boys and Big Harv for a long time..They are the best at what they do.

Now., from what I heard (I was not there), Jerry was warned about this after a previous round. It stands to reason they'd be watching him closer from there on out.
I watched the video here 20 times too, and did not see any tire smoke.
Beyond that, did Mr. Emmons momentarily lock up or drag a wheel or two?
I don't believe you'd be able to see it in a grainy video.
Mr. Emmons knows the answer. NHRA ? Not so sure , but they must have thought they did.
This would have been enough for a disqualification, in their minds.
As I said, I wasn't down by the finish line there, and neither were most of you.
I don't feel it would be my place to speculate any more than that.

Chipper Chapman · 02-28-2017, 10:42 PM

Seems like this may be 2017's tech debacle, like the fake battery crack down the last couple years. I think its a BS call but at the same time its obvious he's killing a bunch, more than anyone really should.

7423 · 02-28-2017, 11:06 PM

This happens every weekend at every track across the country and it looks just like that. It's called bracket racing and that is the poster picture of any class with shoe polish on the window.. Hats off to Mr Emmons.............nice stripe work!! He was driving to win the event got screwed. This is the norm at any dial in class every weekend. What a shame, someone in Glendora must really have a hard on for him. Wonder who is next on the hit list??

HR9121 · 02-28-2017, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 7423

This happens every weekend at every track across the country and it looks just like that. It's called bracket racing and that is the poster picture of any class with shoe polish on the window.. Hats off to Mr Emmons.............nice stripe work!! He was driving to win the event got screwed. This is the norm at any dial in class every weekend. What a shame, someone in Glendora must really have a hard on for him. Wonder who is next on the hit list??

If they really do have it in for him that really shows how stupid they are. I would not pick on someone with Lucas on the side of their car!!!
Now I'm done lol!

TILBURG · 02-28-2017, 11:56 PM

Maybe they gave the warning to the wrong brother and Jerry didn't get the memo.lol

official22yrs · 03-01-2017, 12:34 AM

My question is what is the rule book on it?
Does anyone have a video from the rear end of the car?
Its like a comp guy said I'm tired of going 175mph and slamming on the breaks.
Guys its not smart racing at all, and did everyone notice that they weren't slamming the breaks at all after that DNQ.....
Remember its NHRA game and rules.... Just my two cents.

Bullet1320 · 03-01-2017, 02:17 AM

This is the rule that is posted in the 2017 NHRA Rulebook:

Section 2, Page 8
Disqualifications:
Anytime it has been judged that excessive braking has resulted in loss of control that results in contact with the guardwall and/or light fixtures or crossing the center boundary lines, INCLUDING PAST THE FINISH LINE, the contestant will be disqualified.

Its a judgment call to the starter as to what is excessive braking.

02-28-2017, 08:51 PM	#81
SStockDart VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arizona, Texan forever Posts: 1,176 Likes: 879 Liked 574 Times in 212 Posts	Re: Excessive Breaking? The way the rule is written, if you hit the wall or timing lights, you are dq'd. You are dq'd anyway regardless of braking, right? __________________ Gary Hansen - SS/FA 4911, B/SA 4911

02-28-2017, 09:09 PM	#82
voltdr Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 706 Likes: 77 Liked 100 Times in 51 Posts	Re: Excessive Breaking? In 2007, at the Winter Nationals, R2, SC, I was fortunate that the guy (Guy Agauyo) in the right lane got on the brakes (he won that round) but crashed a borrowed race car, just behind me. In reality, if this decision will make at least one person dial their car more honestly and not have to be so hard on the brakes as to lose control, then all is good. We all like to think we are under control while braking at 125-185 mph. More likely, we are just lucky. Dan Foley SC4698

02-28-2017, 09:59 PM	#83
HR9121 Live Reporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New Bern, NC Posts: 3,467 Likes: 146 Liked 3,363 Times in 731 Posts	Re: Excessive Breaking? Last time I will comment I promise, I don't want sound stupid but if this is a DQ hundreds should of been gone before him! I agree if you got a maniac out there dragging brakes and sticking his nose in the stripe he should be out! I run 112 mph against cars as fast as 150 so far and I grab the brake on almost every run. I use my throttle alot too, but I shouldn't have to go to the next race of fear of being tossed if this is what they are ruling excessive. I don't see anything wrong with what he did at all and it might be time for some y'all to hit the Rec softball league. __________________ James Williamson W200 J/SA. SS/JA

02-28-2017, 10:34 PM	#84
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,819 Likes: 2,910 Liked 5,127 Times in 1,955 Posts	Re: Excessive Breaking? Figured I might as well comment on this issue. Seems like everyone else already has. First of all, I've known the Emmons boys and Big Harv for a long time..They are the best at what they do. Now., from what I heard (I was not there), Jerry was warned about this after a previous round. It stands to reason they'd be watching him closer from there on out. I watched the video here 20 times too, and did not see any tire smoke. Beyond that, did Mr. Emmons momentarily lock up or drag a wheel or two? I don't believe you'd be able to see it in a grainy video. Mr. Emmons knows the answer. NHRA ? Not so sure , but they must have thought they did. This would have been enough for a disqualification, in their minds. As I said, I wasn't down by the finish line there, and neither were most of you. I don't feel it would be my place to speculate any more than that. __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

02-28-2017, 10:42 PM	#85
Chipper Chapman Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Belmont N.S. Canada Posts: 473 Likes: 246 Liked 166 Times in 71 Posts	Re: Excessive Breaking? Seems like this may be 2017's tech debacle, like the fake battery crack down the last couple years. I think its a BS call but at the same time its obvious he's killing a bunch, more than anyone really should. __________________ Chris Chapman 1969 Chevelle NHRA F-G/SA 1090

02-28-2017, 11:06 PM	#86
7423 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 639 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Excessive Breaking? This happens every weekend at every track across the country and it looks just like that. It's called bracket racing and that is the poster picture of any class with shoe polish on the window.. Hats off to Mr Emmons.............nice stripe work!! He was driving to win the event got screwed. This is the norm at any dial in class every weekend. What a shame, someone in Glendora must really have a hard on for him. Wonder who is next on the hit list??

02-28-2017, 11:56 PM	#88
TILBURG Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 44 Likes: 4 Liked 79 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Excessive Breaking? Maybe they gave the warning to the wrong brother and Jerry didn't get the memo.lol

03-01-2017, 12:34 AM	#89
official22yrs Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 278 Likes: 0 Liked 803 Times in 105 Posts	Re: Excessive Breaking? My question is what is the rule book on it? Does anyone have a video from the rear end of the car? Its like a comp guy said I'm tired of going 175mph and slamming on the breaks. Guys its not smart racing at all, and did everyone notice that they weren't slamming the breaks at all after that DNQ..... Remember its NHRA game and rules.... Just my two cents.

03-01-2017, 02:17 AM	#90
Bullet1320 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 2 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Excessive Breaking? This is the rule that is posted in the 2017 NHRA Rulebook: Section 2, Page 8 Disqualifications: Anytime it has been judged that excessive braking has resulted in loss of control that results in contact with the guardwall and/or light fixtures or crossing the center boundary lines, INCLUDING PAST THE FINISH LINE, the contestant will be disqualified. Its a judgment call to the starter as to what is excessive braking.